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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
A study published this week in the British Medical Journal found that 81 people died from using MDMA (ecstasy) in Britain between 1997 and 2000. But nearly two-thirds (62%) of those deaths also involved other drugs, usually opiates, and only 7% were attributed to ecstasy poisoning (overdose) alone. A little less than one-third (31%) of the deaths were attributed to "other causes," such as heat stroke or heart attack. |
and even of those 5 people that did die, in that 3.5 year time span, they noted that the causes of death were more likely related to over heating or hydration issues than the actual neurotoxicity of MDMA. Clean MDMA when taken properly (I am not supporting its use) has rarely ever been the sole cause of a death. Most studies done after claims such as "MDMA killed this person" have been put into question when further examined.
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
cerebrospinal fluid of the brain ... cerebro meaning brain ...the fluids are connected ; spine + brain
in this case we're talking about the brain |
yeah it was more a question about what neurochemicals/ neurotransmitters they were reffering to. Not all of them will increase at the same time. The ones that do increase or decrease provide good information regarding what neurotoxins caused the influx or release.
lol I know what Cerbro and spinal mean. :D :) |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyGroove
argh why are you so smart? i got a headache reading over your post:)
i actually don't know what they did to them, I just know they went for the study and that's it...but i dont think it was a test purely about spinal fluid, this was just to prove that the ppl who are participating are frequent E-poppers |
I've tried to educate myself the best I can on this issue for a few reasons. first of all I've been partying for a fairly long time now and when I started I wanted to protect myself with information. The more I learned the more I felt in control of myself and my circumstances.
I have also done a degree in neurobiopsychology, so obviously I chose to look at issues that best relate to what I have prior knowledge with and then did extra study on this topic specifically.
I also know that there are a lot of people out there that have not taken the time to learn what is available to them on this subject and as such try to spread it on whenever I can without being a pushy or annoying friend.
MDMA has been one of the most controversial drugs studied in neurobiopsych and there is a lot of information out there on it. The problem is that a vast chunck of the funded research is sponsored by gov't funding so a fair chunck of it is biased in that it feels the need to confirm what the funders want to hear on the topic. An increasing amount of privately financed material on the subject is becoming available, but it can still be a pain to sort out who has what agenda.
The biggest issues with MDMA studies is to ask if there are ANY other possible causes for negative side effects (including death) that were studied? In most cases there are other possible causes, you then have to find out how much of a role that played in the final consiquence. There are lots of rumours, lots of 'studies' and very little fact on MDMA. A lot of what was once persumed has been turned upside down in the last few years by new studies.
If you want to learn more dancesafe.org is a good starting place for really basic information on this stuff.dancesafe.org |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by nusty
I've tried to educate myself the best I can on this issue for a few reasons. first of all I've been partying for a fairly long time now and when I started I wanted to protect myself with information. The more I learned the more I felt in control of myself and my circumstances.
I have also done a degree in neurobiopsychology, so obviously I chose to look at issues that best relate to what I have prior knowledge with and then did extra study on this topic specifically.
I also know that there are a lot of people out there that have not taken the time to learn what is available to them on this subject and as such try to spread it on whenever I can without being a pushy or annoying friend.
MDMA has been one of the most controversial drugs studied in neurobiopsych and there is a lot of information out there on it. The problem is that a vast chunck of the funded research is sponsored by gov't funding so a fair chunck of it is biased in that it feels the need to confirm what the funders want to hear on the topic. An increasing amount of privately financed material on the subject is becoming available, but it can still be a pain to sort out who has what agenda.
The biggest issues with MDMA studies is to ask if there are ANY other possible causes for negative side effects (including death) that were studied? In most cases there are other possible causes, you then have to find out how much of a role that played in the final consiquence. There are lots of rumours, lots of 'studies' and very little fact on MDMA. A lot of what was once persumed has been turned upside down in the last few years by new studies.
If you want to learn more dancesafe.org is a good starting place for really basic information on this stuff. |
whoa, def some interesting stuff, will give it a read in the later hours of the morning :) |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyGroove
whoa, def some interesting stuff, will give it a read in the later hours of the morning :) |
If any of you have any questions regarding MDMA I'd be happy to share what I know, tell you what I don't know and I'd also be willing to try to learn anything else that you want to know that I can't currently answer, to help you out. :) |
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| Sasha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchina
my ass |
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| Frenchina |
| ^^^ For the record, I didn't say that. |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchina
^^^ For the record, I didn't say that. |
I just want to know what it's in regards too? |
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| Frenchina |
| quote: | Originally posted by nusty
I just want to know what it's in regards too? |
Ask him. I don't know. |
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| Sasha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchina
^^^ For the record, I didn't say that. |
ok. u'r >3 |
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| Mako |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sasha
ok. u'r >3 |
^^^
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: (nm this...:rolleyes: )
Edit: On a side note. That really sucks, and yes one can blame the substance that is meant to be taken as it being neurotoxic, but one would never actually know how pure the dose is. :S Thus, diminishing the validity of the aforementioned "probable cause". And this applies to any drug.
Sad story indeed. My condolences. |
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| nusty |
| I'm not g33k enough. I still don't get it. :conf: |
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