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The Da Vinci Deception (pg. 4)
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| Jem_hadar |
I was at my great uncle Dennis' funeral in Scarborough this past Thursday.
20 mins into the priest's speech in my uncle's memory (whatever it's called at a funeral), he descended into a ing rant about the Da Vinci Code and about how it tests all of our (referring to the Catholics) faith, etc.
He called the movie and book an "anti-sacramental" and told everyone that it was not healthy to see this movie and we all should abstain from viewing it, because it tests our faith in a bad way. The same way as the cross is a sacramental, this movie is an anti-sacramental and that is not good thing. (right)
Jesus Christ I was annoyed. That this priest would descend into this "warning" which had NOTHING TO DO WITH MY UNCLE OR HIS DEATH. :mad: :mad:
I was shocked that he'd actually do this (even knowing the controversy world-wide generated by this movie).
Anyways, I mentioned this to my aunt, at how shocked I was. She immediately took up my point and agreed with me. Debbie (my aunt) was very annoyed as well. My mom was just short of livid. If that had been my Gran's funeral (6 years ago) she would prolly would have stopped him cold where he was speaking in outrage! Word can't express my mom's disappointed at his using her uncle's funeral for a ground to express this disclaimer of the church.
That this man would pollute my uncle funeral with such matter galled me. This tirade did NOTHING to further my uncle Dennis's memory. It was sorely misplaced IMO - and in the opinion of others I spoke to afterwards about it - none of which were atheists like me, but believers.
This is a beef the church has taken and chosen to fight, but my uncle's funeral is NOT the place to fight this battle.
I'm still annoyed about this as I think on it. Ugh!
It seemed to me the church is trying very hard to hang onto what ppl they have left, but all beliefs should stand up to scrutiny. And Dennis's funeral was not the place to spout this message!
Jamie |
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| Tiesto4Life |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Yes, well, the Muslims don't even allow images of Muhammad (see sig), but thankfully the Christians are a little more rational than THAT. |
The Satanic Versus by Salman Rushdie will always be the most controversial book!
fiction can reiterate a lot of hatred and anger in this world but it does not create it. it's already there. |
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| Platipus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yes, that would be Karl Marx; not exactly a great guy you want as support for your agruement. Which leads me to this director and his movie...
Actually, before I get into this, let me disclaimer myself now.
While I'm not a 'religious' person myself (if asked, I would classify myself as 'Christian'), I do have great respect for those that choose to align themselves with whatever religious denomination.
Now with that out of the way...
I'm getting the drift that the movie/book is very misleading and full of theoretical holes but for whatever reason, a good portion of the public is passing it off as fact and are therefore, 'astonished'.
Why would people do that if they don't know the whole truth?
Either the book/movie is that good or people are willing to be lead by the nose into a realm they really no nothing about. Because it's such a high profile religion, something must be wrong. Really?
A cloak and dagger senario within the Catholic Church isn't anything new. Why does the Catholic Church get picked on so much?
My theory is because it's one of the oldest yet most misunderstood even though we walk or work by people of Catholicism every day.
There's an area of mystery behind centeries old books and traditions which has caught the mind and imagination of millions, so the author has done his job in that, however does he disclaimer himself before leading people down this path?
The church should be upset. This guy is making millions of dollars on a lie. How much has he offered the church for his damages?
If this had been done in the Muslim realm you can bet there'd be a fatwa tagged on his ass, fiction or not...
You can argue that he may have just done his job as an author, I would argue that while he may have done that, he's hurt others in the process as well.
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from the view of an atheist, the church has made TRILLIONS of dollars off a lie, Billions of people have been killed in the name of GOD. If people can't make the determination between a movie and documentary, that's there issue and we let evolution sort them out.
Occam's razor which roughly states, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer, which makes more sense, a human male conceived with super powers performing a miracle roadshow or a church cover-up to retain power over the masses.
hmm I'll take church cover up for 100 Alex. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyGroove
i don't understand why clergy all around the globe is angered so much - the book is freaking fiction
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because people today take fiction as fact ALL the time...and many have become more and more distrustful of authority, be it the Church, the gov't, etc.
Particularly for events for which there are no living witnesses, written works become that much more important.
Soon there will be no one still alive who survived the Nazi camps, for example...thus 2nd hand sources become that much more important.
So when you go back as far as the New Testament...you can imagine the reaction of the Church and theologians when something like this book is so widely embraced and talked about...fiction or not. |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
because people today take fiction as fact ALL the time...and many have become more and more distrustful of authority, be it the Church, the gov't, etc.
Particularly for events for which there are no living witnesses, written works become that much more important.
Soon there will be no one still alive who survived the Nazi camps, for example...thus 2nd hand sources become that much more important.
So when you go back as far as the New Testament...you can imagine the reaction of the Church and theologians when something like this book is so widely embraced and talked about...fiction or not. |
I still think that no book should be treated as a primary source of ANYTHING.. books are written by people, and people a. make mistakes b. tend to misinterpret things and pass that as a primary account of whatever event
the Church might as well declare the books about that Potter kid as a danger to their faith too
instead of wasting time and resouces on trying to ban the film/book, the Church should concentrate on what's happening among "the servants of God" - I'm disgusted by all those case of pedophilia that keep surfacing the news from time to time, and neverending corruption
they have much bigger problems to take care of, not some book.
that's my 2 pennies. |
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| King Luis |
| if you listen to Above and Beyond's Essential mix 06-06-2004, there is some who comes on near the beginning that say religion can be good and bad. its bad because all of the wars were from religion. but its good because it can be used for education. he also says when you grow up you need to get rid of it. its some guy who says it near the 3min 45 second mark. |
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| Jem_hadar |
I dunno... :rolleyes: when I was a kid I read about dragons in the fantasy novels I devoured and I really and truly believed those dragons must have existed too! I read about them in those books, so I thus thought OF COURSE they existed and was outraged to learn it was fiction! :eek:
Come on, people need to learn to act like the intelligent people humanity id capable of being. Books of fiction are meant to intrigue one's mind and I find this story facinating. Do I think its true? No. Would I if I was religious. Even more emphatically NOT!
We all need to learn to use our ing minds. That's why we have them! Banning/condeming a work of fiction is ridiculous (though I'm of the opinion that it's merely that, a topic/idea that Dan Brown wished to write about, and not some personal attack on Jesus Christ.) |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jem_hadar
Come on, people need to learn to act like the intelligent people humanity id capable of being. Books of fiction are meant to intrigue one's mind and I find this story facinating. Do I think its true? No. Would I if I was religious. Even more emphatically NOT! |
well said Jamie
I think the whole idea of whatever the book is about being true, is what keeps us reading fiction! |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | | The Da Vinci Deception is a powerful antidote to the spiritual poison found in The DaVinci Code. |
:rolleyes: |
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| Spike |
| jesus christ....some of these catholic anti da vinci code fanatics need to take their heads outa their asses and go beat off to some animal porn, cuz thats all theyre good for |
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| El Kay Dee |
Apparently this came out the same day as when the Code came to theatres and sold out in the first week itself...lol |
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