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Bush signs into law indecency bill (pg. 3)
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i f**kin totally agree, but that was just one instance. say every time she turns on the tele she sees something else you object to her watching...and not just by herself either. say both you, your boyfriend (i'm kidding) and her are watching TV and you constantly see stuff that you would rather her not see? your not a bad parent. on the contrary, you would rather want to deal with those objectionable issues on your own terms, not just because you want to relax with your family in front of the tube. |
I'm all for restrictions on obscene content during hours where young children are likely to be awake and watching television, but there's a difference between disallowing swearing during programs aired at 4pm and disallowing it in all programs regardless of the time they air. Besides, all television programs come with a rating that advises people in advance about what sort of content the program is about to depict - if you don't want your family to see certain things when you're watching TV together, just have the foresight not to switch onto programs that are rated "R" or whatever the American equivalent is.
| quote: | | you've been around kids right? they're quicker than you may credit them. it all has to do with what you can control as a parent but you can't control everything. i have one and question my ability to control anything. i'm lucky though. |
I agree, you can't protect your children from everything, but I'm not sure that would be a good idea anyway. Gradual exposure to the realities of the world is an essential part of growing up. You'd be kidding yourself if you didn't think that the language on the playgound is any less vulgar than the language on TV, or that children aren't exposed to nudity and sexuality from sources other than what is broadcast on TV. I mean come-on - are you saying that you didn't swear or hadn't seen a Playboy before you reached puberty? Did you turn out okay?
| quote: | | fine. say what you will about why you think obscenity is important or non-important the point is tv, any media for that matter, isn't going anywhere. if it's going somewhere then i can guaranty you that your children will be a constant repository for it's influence no matter how good a parent you think you may be. |
I agree, but I would actually be more concerned about my child's exposure to, say, commercialism on TV than with any sort of swearing or nudity. But hey, that's just me. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
I mean come-on - are you saying that you didn't swear or hadn't seen a Playboy before you reached puberty? Did you turn out okay?
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thats an important point that people often overlook. like somehow they were capable of coping with the ill effects of childhood "naughtiness" yet today's children are not. which is funny, because the average 10 year old of 2006 is a far more capable model than the 1956 one.
i dont know about you guys, but i dont remember feeling like some useless extension of my parents when i was a kid. i had my own brain and could make decisions. i certainly didnt feel helpless- a scary movie might give me the odd nightmare or a porn mag might make me truly realise the beauty of the female form. hardly big deals.
but - listen to really young children, they say & do the most astute or sneaky things. theyre not helpless, and constantly trying to shield them from the inevitable is a fruitless exercise. i hate the little fvckers, but give them a bit more credit. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
I mean come-on - are you saying that you didn't swear or hadn't seen a Playboy before you reached puberty? |
no. hell no. i hit puberty smack dab in the middle of the eighties. f**kin sex EVERYWHERE it seemed like. it was nothing but Daisy Duke to Heather Locklear to Tawny Kitaen, Samantha Fox you name it. i loved Downtown Julie Brown and Club MTV. hell MTV period! (nothings changed BTW) in '85 i'd violate every skin mag i could get my Jergens covered little hands on. then i found my first video tape:eyes:. dude, it was over with. i didn't look back until the millenium.
| quote: | | Did you turn out okay? |
yeah. but you see. i was a boy. to me boys are different (socially i mean). i also had a reasonable amount of self control. on top of that your whole perspective changes when you have a kid. especially gorgeous little girl.
| quote: | | I agree, but I would actually be more concerned about my child's exposure to, say, commercialism on TV than with any sort of swearing or nudity. But hey, that's just me. |
MTV man. greed sex greed sex greed sex 24/7/365. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i loved Downtown Julie Brown and Club MTV. hell MTV period! (nothings changed BTW) in '85 i'd violate every skin mag i could get my Jergens covered little hands on. then i found my first video tape:eyes:. dude, it was over with. i didn't look back until the millenium.
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Hell Yeah!!!! ha ha
actually I loved Duff!!
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
Hey Psy-T, is television in Israel pretty much European? |
i'd have to watch television to be able to answer that :p |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
I agree with Renegade and pkc. Basically my view is that you shouldn't try to protect children from the world, but that you should guide them through it. It's better for them to be exposed to various situations and to be taught whether what they have seen is right or wrong and why it is so, than to be shielded from everything and then be unprepaired and unexperienced when the need arises.
But stuff with Janet Jackson and her nipple shot is plain silly. I mean, no way anyone will be traumatized because of that, aside from a couple of old gray pricks with one foot in the grave. And they'll probably complain about it more because situations like that make them realize they're old and that their time is pretty much over than because they are intrinsically shocked by it. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
That's what they'd like you to think, but truth be told those families have always been there. Its not like all of a sudden American familes are calling for a Family Values Revolution. Certain forces would love to stage one in their name but I don't think the families are overly interested in having one.
American society has been becoming increasingly liberal. Each passing generation is more liberal, more tolerant, and more accepting than the previous. I can even go so far as to say there has never been a generation that was more conservative than the previous. You merely need to look at the "indecency standards" for television in any time period to see this trend. You can also draw a correlation between Bush's approval rating and his conservative stance.
Following these things to be true you can deduce that this effort to bring back the standards of the past is only temporary while its advocates hold the power and that won't be for much longer. |
Infinitely true. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
so concerned families have nothing to do with this? that's what they would like us to think, but really it's just old men that want the status quo? delusional argument that i'm actually suprised your trying to make. what status quo? according to you there is none. every year it gets worse. your right!
answer me this. what exactly are "generations" getting increasingly "tolerant and accepting" of? thats a rhetorical question btw because we all know the answer. however your argument seems to assume all American families fall into a catagory that has no limits of tolerance and acceptance.
no one is trying to bring back anything. my guess is you haven't read the law. the law makes certain content, that you concede is becoming more and more risque', punishable by higher fines.
substantially higher because paying the previous fines were basically an afterthought of multibillion dollar broadcasters. |
You don't seem to realize that your opinion is the exact fading, blind conservatism that he's talking about. You're the poster boy for the error: too caught up in your own (though they are not yours, you were never so creative...) opinions and divisiveness to ever come to a sound conclusion for future generations.
It is, afterall, our responsibility to the unborn and the very young to look after their rights, since they, obviously, can not yet.
How many times in the past have all of these moral wars' fabrications come true, all designed to apparently prevent THE IMPENDING APOCALYPSE (because we all know gays getting married will result in everyone and their grandmother marrying pigs and going on necrophiliac rampages, right?); seems to me like our apocalypse has never come, we've just become a more and more diverse society, which most likely attributes greatly to the success that we have felt, and the current conservative backlash seems to correlate pretty interestingly with the current state of decay of progress in the world, eh?
I don't blame you for being scared and lonely and wanting to create and sculpt a world where only familiarities exist to keep you warm and comfortable... this is naturally human. but you are on the losing side of evolution, and the more random seed enters in the equation, the more results we will reap that were unimaginable just a few decades before.
Conservatives have cried wolf too many times, and even people who didn't understand progressives now are starting to see why, even if they don't go 100% progressive, they can never go conservative or let themselves ever again begin to become complacent and believe the bull that politicians feed us all.
It's not even our government or our country anymore, it's now in the hands of this out of control snow-ball effect of lies and propaganda. Sad. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
The whole lets get conservative movement means nothing. Once our generation starts taking over seats of influence you can bet you won't hear things like preserving the sanctity of marriage. In that Gen I, Y whatever you want to call it, has a much looser view on what is conservative.
This stuff is a futile attempt by some old farts that want to believe theres still a chance to turn the tides. |
Yes, but if I was to compare MTV from when they first started to now; it's complete garbage now... |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you sure it doesn't have anything to do with millions of families that have children? |
I don't get it, kids can't see a nipple?
Edit: Oops, didn't see this thread had 3 pages :p |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
It's not even our government or our country anymore, it's now in the hands of this out of control snow-ball effect of lies and propaganda. Sad. |
who's the one thats scared? you have no idea what happened in this thread do you?
the "apocolypse"? wtf? we're talking about higher fines. something most people here agree with (an assumption of the reasonable people on this board)
i'm the poster boy for decency? right now, i'm just an advocate for the average American family. what do you advocate? should i guess? |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i'm just an advocate for the average American family. what do you advocate? should i guess? |
I think his point was that there shouldn't be any one advocating for the 'others,' trying to explain this to you would be easy, but you wouldn't let it through because you are a neo-con.
Wait, I didn't mean to attack you.
And his point was that all these opinions are being formed by media and other interest groups who are like you speaking for the average american family when in reality they are out of touch with the average family. The average family has more serious concerns than nuditcy on tv. |
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