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Cutting songs out of other mixes? (pg. 2)
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| Inertia |
bah, you guys are taking this wayyyy to seriously.
if he is willing to cut it out of a set, because he can't buy it, he'd be willing to download it as well. and since downloading is a LOT easier than making a proper cut, this would tell us that the track is neither for sale, or for download.
so, he can't get it, either way. WHATS SO BAD about cutting it?
if you're going to cut it, it should be a bit more work than just cutting and pasting from soundforge. to make this work right, you should do a full reconstruction. this means, taking the whole thing, you know, the 'meat' of the track, and then deleting the bits where it is mixed. then, with some smart editting, cutting, chopping and looping, you should find the more empty beats and other elements, and structure your edit to have a bit of an intro section. in other words, you have to re-edit the thing as best you can to make it sound as close to a full track as you can for mixing purposes. get this right, and it's the next best thing.
i have a friend who has done this for a few tracks he will not get in any way for a long time. he's done it for unreleased material/whitelabels, and basically now has tracks that are unique (due to his editing) and no one else has.
also, to my knowledge, this is not 'stealing music' per se, as you are editing yourself. this is as illegal as playing your own re-edit of a track. it would be illegal to sell/release without a license, but not to play out. |
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| punjabi |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
it won't work because you wont have the breakdown in the song cause the dj will of already started mixing the next song when it comes |
do you have any idea what you're talking about? (rhetorical question) |
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| Allied Nations |
I don't give a as long as what hits my ears sounds good.
I may do it if necessary, probably wouldn't as I don't have many livesets in the first place.. but I'd definetely edit it before I played it. |
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| Hasneez |
| have you thought of the increase/decrease of tempo that's in the intro/middle/outro of the cut track... |
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
I don't give a as long as what hits my ears sounds good. |
+ ONE F***ING MILLION
I think too many people forget thats the most important thing. |
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| Nemesis44 |
What's the big deal.
Just so you know, the majority of name DJs will actually chop the tracks of the moment around anyway to get a version that suits their style of DJing better, i.e. for artistic purposes. It's not much different. I also do this as lets face it, if you can give the crowd something extra and just give them the unexpected then that is a good thing.
If he was doing this because he is too lazy to go out and buy music then the only issue would be in the end that he will be limited to what he can do in his mixes because of having weird edits in his collection.
If I remember correctly even Tiesto played a track from a compilation on his first DVD that he couldn't get hold of. He was number one in the world at that time and still couldn't get the track so... ey... if it works for him then what's to stop the rest of us?
Something to remember gentlemen is that with DJing, especially now, there is no rule book anymore. It's gone. Digital has broken the cast and we are now entering uncharted territory.
You might as well embrace it or you are going to drive yourself insane.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Rebel Brown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
Good DJs are judged by their abilities to search for music, have access to rare tracks bla bla bla |
What?
So if I go out and find a really rare obscure tune that no one else has played yet, that makes me a good DJ?
Nah. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
No, it's still stupid.
Being a DJ isn't about mixing tracks together. Anyone can learn to do that. Good DJs are judged by their abilities to search for music, have access to rare tracks, or spend hours browsing through catalogs full of crap only to find one good tune.
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which is why most of the known trance djs are . all they play are each others tunes. |
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| xenoaxe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
What?
So if I go out and find a really rare obscure tune that no one else has played yet, that makes me a good DJ?
Nah. |
rofl@blablabla yeah i thought that was complete BS too |
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| Aquarian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rebel Brown
What?
So if I go out and find a really rare obscure tune that no one else has played yet, that makes me a good DJ?
Nah. |
If it's very good, then yes. What's the point of DJing if this isn't it? Mixing records? Anyone can do that. Heck - computer programs can do that.
Cutting out a track out of another DJ's set is no different than copying an article and claiming to have written it. It's plagirism. If you want the track, find a way to track it down, because as a DJ, it's your job. If you're too lazy to do that, you shouldn't claim to be a DJ in the first place.
For those of you who say there's nothing wrong with it;
If a DJ gets booked for a paid gig and just plays a really good set by another DJ that he found on the internet, is that wrong? If so, what's the difference, not considering the mixing? |
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| Rebel Brown |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
What's the point of DJing if this isn't it? Mixing records? |
Yes, actually. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
For those of you who say there's nothing wrong with it;
If a DJ gets booked for a paid gig and just plays a really good set by another DJ that he found on the internet, is that wrong? If so, what's the difference, not considering the mixing? |
Yeah there's a truck load of difference.
If you are playing another DJs set then you are a cheap skate and also ripping the crowd off.
But if it's the question of one track that you could not get in any other way, and you felt you just had to play it then that's ok in my book.
The crowd are not judging you on how much time and money you spent getting your music, if you have the original or not or even if you downloaded the whole lot.
The crowd want to hear good music, and you as a DJ have to mix it and make sure you drop it at the right time in the night.
You are only taking one track, but you are breaking copyright laws if you don't play it from the orignal source (presumably CD).
Besides, what's to stop you duplicating a DJs set with orignals... just as bad in my book.
If you do mix from a compilation, if you catch the mix in the right place you can get some cool results and some very fat sounds if done correctly.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of mixing from complilations and wouldn't generally recomend this, but I do accept that if there is a track that must be played then do it.
Cheers
Nem |
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