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| BradP |
| so i've got my mixer and speakers hooked up to the same receiver and they're all within a couple feet of each other, yet there's some delay from the speakers. this makes making corrections in my headphones impossible. is it normal for this delay to happen? it didn't when I used to use just a home stereo as my speakers. (now i'm using seperate ones wired up to the receiver) |
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| Vero |
what kind of reciever is it? I have run into issues with DSPs on some newer recievers (yamamha's mostly). What happens is the reciever has some very mild built in effects on it for things like "hall, live, sports, theater, etc." what this means is that its taking your analog signal, converting to digital, sending it through the processor and back to analog.
most recievers with DSP have a bypass on them, usually called Straight or Direct. It all depends on your reciever.
Or it could just be all in your mind.... |
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| Nemesis44 |
Not a bad situation to have to practice on. Will prepare you will for mixing in clubs.
But yeah, as Vero stated there could be some effects processor or something working there.
Does it convert analogue to digital? and so on.
Cheers
Nem |
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| BradP |
Thanks so much guys! I am using a Yamaha and it is on one of the effects. I'll have to switch it to straight.
I thought that as well that it might be good to practice like that. Just a question then... if you have no monitors then all you can do is either split cue in your headphones or just go by ear from the speakers. Are there any other ways? |
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| Zild |
| To practice with the delay use the one ear method. Personally I find it easier to mix in a venue off the delay in one ear rather than going into both ears. But yeah check it out and see what methods you like yourself. |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by BradP
Just a question then... if you have no monitors then all you can do is either split cue in your headphones or just go by ear from the speakers. Are there any other ways? |
I'm not sure if i follow what you are asking here. when it comes to a dj setup, monitors = speakers that point towards the DJs ears. any decent speakers do the job, i use a $100 pair of sony bookshelf speakers running off an old kenwood reciever and they work fine.
as far as other cueing methods, some mixers have a cue switch/button on the master channel (DJM500 & 600), some mixers have a small xfader or knob to balance between master and cue in the headphones. obviously if you were to engage a master cue with nothing else cued, you'd hear the master only. my old crappy stanton mixer had a 3 post switch if i remember correctly, that changed the headphones from cue to split cue to master.
as for me, i always have cue only in headphones, no split, and use the one cup method. for some weird reason, i mix best with both cue tracks on at the same level in both ears. |
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| BradP |
| What i'm saying is that if your monitors are delayed then it's hard to use the one cup method (which is what I use all the time) because what you hear in your headphones is not in synch with the monitors. |
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| BradP |
I just did 30 minutes of mixing after setting the receiver to straight. The delay is a lot better, but there's still a small noticable amount of it. What I hear in the headphones is like 0.5 seconds ahead of what's coming through the speakers. Any other settings that I might want to try changing?
[Edit] Figured out the problem. Straight still gave it a delay, but I switched it to Direct Stereo and that fixed it. :) |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by BradP
I just did 30 minutes of mixing after setting the receiver to straight. The delay is a lot better, but there's still a small noticable amount of it. What I hear in the headphones is like 0.5 seconds ahead of what's coming through the speakers. Any other settings that I might want to try changing?
[Edit] Figured out the problem. Straight still gave it a delay, but I switched it to Direct Stereo and that fixed it. :) |
glad to hear you gut it figured out. now on with the mix... |
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| Ryan0751 |
Yeah my Sony receiver is like this. It has an Analog Direct setting that disables the DSP's and gets rid of the delay. Unfortunately it also disables the subwoofer line-out.
I only use the receiver for sound in the rest of the apt. When mixing with my monitors and the delayed speakers in the other room, it's really annoying just to listen to, nevermind mix with.
| quote: | Originally posted by Vero
what kind of reciever is it? I have run into issues with DSPs on some newer recievers (yamamha's mostly). What happens is the reciever has some very mild built in effects on it for things like "hall, live, sports, theater, etc." what this means is that its taking your analog signal, converting to digital, sending it through the processor and back to analog.
most recievers with DSP have a bypass on them, usually called Straight or Direct. It all depends on your reciever.
Or it could just be all in your mind.... |
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