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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
In the end its always the Jew to blame because they are the ones occupying a country. |
as fun as it might be to draw arbitrary lines... who isn't 'occupying a country'?? |
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| ronk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
First off, we all don't have the same posts per page count as you, so please make your links work for all users, second, even though I have not seen the content in your links, why would I trust or regard information from another thread in TA as being factual, especially on such a biased issue. Either way please provide direct links to unbiased factual information regarding the occupation of this land. |
sorry for the links problem, here're the fixed ones:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...158#post6456012
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...159#post6456690
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=43#post6462010
as for my facts - I use mainly Britannica and Wikipedia (hebrew and english articles).
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Second, I know a bit of history, yes there was a strong Jewish population in the area before Israel was formed so it wasn't just like "HEY LETS ALL GO TO THIS RANDOM PLACE AND JUST SETTLE THERE!" but after the creation of Israel it did become a destination for the nomadic Jew. |
yes it did because finally jews had a place called home. they want to come to Israel, not to the arab territories (Palestine).
the fact that Israel has more lands than 'Palestine' is because of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Six Days War, Yom Kippur War etc.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Finally, do you agree that the US was right to invade Native American territory and then move them into reservations? This argument that I see of "they had no nation" well neither did the Natives in North America? Do you believe that its ok to just waltz into someones land and claim it as your own?
Arguing that they should have settled for peace when it was an out right grab of a lot of land that was occupied by someone before them is bull. Thats like me walking into your house out of the blue and saying "here you take that room over there, I will take the rest of the house, further more, you can not leave that room unless I say it is alright." Would you settle for this? |
first of all, there was no 'US' at the invading time as far as I know. there were people who came to America and settled there (I know they killed natives, but that's kinda all I know about the US history).
second of all, you can't compare both situations. you simply can't, because during history, when jews immigrated here, the lands were ruled by others (Ottomans and British mandate) - i.e. - the arabs (today's palestinians) didn't rule this exact region of Israel. it was a part of the Ottomans Empire, and later a part of the British mandate. plus, the jews were allowed to immigrate, they bought lands, just like every country would allow immigration. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
You can compare them because there was one sided decision to claim land and make a state out of it. Who was to say that maybe the Palestinians would have driven the British out? Israel didn't even have to fight that hard for independence. Anti-semitism in France and the UK was one of the main driving factors for the creation of a Jewish state. They figured "better there than here" and pushed hard for the creation of a place where the Jews could go. I mean come on you guys were ing nomadic people from the get go, you have NEVER had your own legitimate Jewish state, what makes you think you deserve one now? |
Nomadic people?????
Ever consider WHY? Throughout history it was most certainly not by choice.
Geez just suggest eliminating everyone of jewish decent while you're at it! :rolleyes: |
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| Lira |
I've got a better idea and a more realistic one, Nou:
There's an influx of Thai immigrants to Israel. I say bring more of them! Thai immigrants, Viet Immigrants... and bring some people from Sub-saharan Africa too. And some Christians, while we're at it.
And then, I can assure you: Instead of being a divided country (between two different groups), Israel would be like Canada, and no one group would be able to be stronger than all the others combined. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I've got a better idea and a more realistic one, Nou:
There's an influx of Thai immigrants to Israel. I say bring more of them! Thai immigrants, Viet Immigrants... and bring some people from Sub-saharan Africa too. And some Christians, while we're at it.
And then, I can assure you: Instead of being a divided country (between two different groups), Israel would be like Canada, and no one group would be able to be stronger than all the others combined. |
Don't worry, weren't not in any danger of being overrun by new immigrants...
(Chart is from a 2001 Census)
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Actual Canadian breakdown chart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ns_by_ethnicity |
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| Lira |
Actually, this chart illustrates what I mean: even though there are many individuals who fail to identify themselves as Canadian (for whatever reason), the myriad of nationalities there doesn't seem to be that much of a problem (at least, not when compared to Israel).
When was the last time you saw Canada being terrorised by a revolutionary Scotish army who thinks the Italians don't belong there? If Israel had a similar immigrant influx, the situation would sure change (as there would be no Jew-Arab dichotomy). |
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| qussay |
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exactly , they assist AMERICANS to leave the country , while israel keeps on hitting passenger buses trying to leave the country, and humanitarian aid trucks trying to get in ... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by qussay
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exactly , they assist AMERICANS to leave the country ,
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Apparently you missed my post in another thread where I mentioned that for those that are duel-passport Canadian-Lebanese (which is the vast majority) it's actually the Lebanese government's responsibility to be evacuating these people; not Canada's.
I can't speak for the States but I wouldn't find it surprising if it was the same for them.
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while israel keeps on hitting passenger buses trying to leave the country, and humanitarian aid trucks trying to get in ... |
Source?
If you're going to convince anyone in here, you'd better have better support for your arguements other than baseless accusations...
ie. a source prehaps? |
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| qussay |
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Would you also like some sources regarding the following issues :
Use of prohibited weapons .
Killing innocent civilians, in gaza and lebanon .
Violating UN laws . |
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| Paulie |
| THe world was a safer place when the jewish people floated around like the gypsies they were. Creating a jewish state in the middle of ARAB countries spelt nothing but trouble. |
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| homerj14 |
this is directed to some people Listen I was born in Israel there can really only be debates on topics like this if your either Arab Born or ISraeli Born Arab born side by side with a Jewish state such as Lebanon Palestine, Syria , Etc when you say Israelis Kill Civillians Do you really think that Israel likes war?? i think 95 percent of the world believes this do you think we like to live in fear of terrorism EVERY DAY?? it sickens me
WHERE IS the ISraeli civillians Killed?? huh? do you see me gettin links of the 100000's of israelis Killed? |
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