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TORONTO STAR: Fed up with lakefront noise? Just deal with it (pg. 2)
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
aaah but you can...
you cant just pick and choose your causes. If you support the ban-it mentality for other things you shouldnt be surprised when somebody uses the same logic against something you enjoy, in this case noise. |
i don't know, i don't support "ban it all" policy
plus none of us are perfect, we want some things to go, and some to say, so you can use this against 99% of the people
right now i'm in the country where rules are written to NOT be followed, so maybe we should ship some of the Canadian officials here, would do the island some good :) |
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| Jayx1 |
you probably could apply that to 99% of people. But that doesnt make it right.
I am on record when it comes to supporting rights of others that i dont partake in.
I have never owned a pitbull
I dont smoke
I dont eat sushi
But im still 100% in favour of those people's rights. Because when it comes to an issue like this, i would want those people to support MY cause as well. You cant just pick and choose laws of convenience. You are either for a sterile society or you arent.
And id hope that canadian officials dont show up whereever u are. I dont think they would be ready for a mountain of pathetic bylaws that stipulate everything from no ball playing to no drinks after 2 am. I dont think they are ready for the permissiveness displayed by canadian officials when it comes to homelessness and "hug a thug" approaches on REAL crime either. |
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| FunkyGroove |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
you probably could apply that to 99% of people. But that doesnt make it right.
I am on record when it comes to supporting rights of others that i dont partake in.
I have never owned a pitbull
I dont smoke
I dont eat sushi
But im still 100% in favour of those people's rights. Because when it comes to an issue like this, i would want those people to support MY cause as well. You cant just pick and choose laws of convenience. You are either for a sterile society or you arent. |
see you doing it again! what does liking sushi has to do with Club's noise levels?
sure, peole should respect other people's rights and etc
the same way I have a right to pick and choose a lot of things :) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyGroove
see you doing it again! what does liking sushi has to do with Club's noise levels?
sure, peole should respect other people's rights and etc
the same way I have a right to pick and choose a lot of things :) |
they tried to ban raw sushi a few years ago...
the same ban-it-for-the-greater-good mentality behind the current noise situation.
People tend to think that society's attitudes are individually based on specific events. What i am saying is that they are not. If you apply a precedent to ban smokin for example, the anti drinking, noise, and anything else u can think of people will use the same arguements to further their cause. As you are seeing now. |
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| TSI_AWD |
Man, the problem with Toronto is it's becoming condo city....in the city...which isn't what an urban environment is all about. The southern part of the city should all be commercial buildings, instead of a berlin-wall of condos on queen's quay, I think that's one of the problems. The ratio of commericial to residential buildings in Toronto is going over the top (I mean in the city), these same s who are complaining about the sounds of a thriving urban environment should go live in the god damn suburbs. That's what suburbs are for. I don't understand what they want? To create a boring environment so that everyone will on the city and say it sucks?
This Canadian mentality of consevatism has just gone over the top, and this is just one of the ways.
No alcohol after 2am, retarded laws to stop big parties from happening, police serving as nothing but traffic control.... |
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| london_ta |
| quote: | Originally posted by TSI_AWD
Man, the problem with Toronto is it's becoming condo city....in the city...which isn't what an urban environment is all about. The southern part of the city should all be commercial buildings, instead of a berlin-wall of condos on queen's quay, I think that's one of the problems. The ratio of commericial to residential buildings in Toronto is going over the top (I mean in the city), these same s who are complaining about the sounds of a thriving urban environment should go live in the god damn suburbs. That's what suburbs are for. I don't understand what they want? To create a boring environment so that everyone will on the city and say it sucks?
This Canadian mentality of consevatism has just gone over the top, and this is just one of the ways.
No alcohol after 2am, retarded laws to stop big parties from happening, police serving as nothing but traffic control.... |
I couldn't say better myself. ;) |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by TSI_AWD
Man, the problem with Toronto is it's becoming condo city....in the city...which isn't what an urban environment is all about. The southern part of the city should all be commercial buildings, instead of a berlin-wall of condos on queen's quay, I think that's one of the problems. The ratio of commericial to residential buildings in Toronto is going over the top (I mean in the city), these same s who are complaining about the sounds of a thriving urban environment should go live in the god damn suburbs. That's what suburbs are for. I don't understand what they want? To create a boring environment so that everyone will on the city and say it sucks?
This Canadian mentality of consevatism has just gone over the top, and this is just one of the ways.
No alcohol after 2am, retarded laws to stop big parties from happening, police serving as nothing but traffic control.... |
absolutely agree |
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| fairy godfather |
| quote: | Originally posted by TSI_AWD
Man, the problem with Toronto is it's becoming condo city....in the city...which isn't what an urban environment is all about. The southern part of the city should all be commercial buildings, instead of a berlin-wall of condos on queen's quay, I think that's one of the problems. The ratio of commericial to residential buildings in Toronto is going over the top (I mean in the city), these same s who are complaining about the sounds of a thriving urban environment should go live in the god damn suburbs. That's what suburbs are for. I don't understand what they want? To create a boring environment so that everyone will on the city and say it sucks?
This Canadian mentality of consevatism has just gone over the top, and this is just one of the ways.
No alcohol after 2am, retarded laws to stop big parties from happening, police serving as nothing but traffic control.... |
The only problem with your argument...it that most of what you are complaining about is being pushed and supported by the left wing of Toronto Council...not the right! |
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| cyper |
If you dont like big city noise.. move to the ing country!!
And if you think Toronto is bad, go to one of the big cities in Europe(like Paris or London).
Seems to me that the only people complaining are just a bunch of old bitches who are cranky because they havent gotten f#cked in 20 years & their pussies dried up. |
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| m2j |
u know whats retarded?
Whenever I step out of Docks or Guvernment, and I walk maybe 10-20 meters to my car, I don't hear ... how the hell do the islanders and surrounding residence pick up anything? :wtf:
what are they doing, stepping OUT of their house on the poarch/balcony at 5am, cupping their ears scanning for "annoying" sounds?
But seriously, they should stfu, especially when the city warns them about noise levels before they buy the property. |
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| fairy godfather |
| quote: | Originally posted by m2j
u know whats retarded?
Whenever I step out of Docks or Guvernment, and I walk maybe 10-20 meters to my car, I don't hear ... how the hell do the islanders and surrounding residence pick up anything? :wtf:
what are they doing, stepping OUT of their house on the poarch/balcony at 5am, cupping their ears scanning for "annoying" sounds?
But seriously, they should stfu, especially when the city warns them about noise levels before they buy the property. |
+1
great point! |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
aaah but you can...
you cant just pick and choose your causes. If you support the ban-it mentality for other things you shouldnt be surprised when somebody uses the same logic against something you enjoy, in this case noise. |
that's absurd.
you can pick and choose, so long as you use consistent criteria.
I use something along the lines of the 'harm principle'...smoking in confined, public spaces is a specific harm to others. A *bit* of noise on the waterfront to a select few homeowners who should know better since they live near downtown...I don't consider that to be "harm". People don't have the right to SILENCE...they have the right to not be subjected to unreasonable noise...I highly doubt this noise is *that* loud. |
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