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Men don't understand women; Women don't understand men (pg. 2)
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| Aquarian |
If I understand correctly, you're debating that if we can divide "men" and "women" into two different behavior patterns, why is it that there is still considerable difference between individuals?
Biologically there isn't any difference in male or female behavior. As children, we fix ourselves onto social models, and we devellop our behaviors by immitating them. You can just look at other, more isolated cultures where gender roles and identity are completely reversed. It's kind of ironic when you think about it - this very concept that we have that men are like this and women are like that is the very reason why people grow up fitting into these models so well. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
This is also where alot of relationship problems are rooted. While people adopt the model that fits their own gender, they also adopt misconceptions about the other. For instance, girls who grow up reading romance novels will often have a very disorted view of men. Because their concept of what men are like is based on irrealistic characters from fictional novels, when they experience real relationships, they find nothing but dissapointement. They go from partner to partner never quite finding what they're looking for because their idea of the "perfect man" simply doesn't exist. If instead they had grown up with a proper image of what men are like, they would have less trouble accepting them, and would have healthier relationships in the long run. The same thing is applicable to how young boys absorb their perceptions of women. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
girls: irrational & crazy
boys: egotistical & insensitive |
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| Masonious |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
boys: egotistical & insensitive |
Caramon wasn't :( |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
Caramon wasn't :( |
he was when he was an alcoholic ;) |
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| Masonious |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
he was when he was an alcoholic ;) |
lol true |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
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Actually, I do agree with you (as this is something I clearly remember from my first studies on sociology). The reason why I asked her "why is it that there is still considerable difference between individuals?" is because if there's enough proof showing the differences between individuals of the same gender, and this is a social construct, why would one insist on making this girls-boys division so homogeneously? |
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| Aquarian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Actually, I do agree with you (as this is something I clearly remember from my first studies on sociology). The reason why I asked her "why is it that there is still considerable difference between individuals?" is because if there's enough proof showing the differences between individuals of the same gender, and this is a social construct, why would one insist on making this girls-boys division so homogeneously? |
There are differences between individuals because obviousely people form their behaviors and personalities from much more than just one source. But part of what I was trying to say is that it's a part of that very social construct to believe that there is a clear division between the genders. From an early age we're thought that men and women are fundamentally different. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
There are differences between individuals because obviousely people form their behaviors and personalities from much more than just one source. |
I agree with you here...
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
But part of what I was trying to say is that it's a part of that very social construct to believe that there is a clear division between the genders. From an early age we're thought that men and women are fundamentally different. |
... and I agree with you here too :p |
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| Jase83 |
| Only bit I agree with is, women are crazy. say no more. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
No, Tweek, I just thought it would be fun... and lol @ Lebez :p
What were we debating: Behaviour (and relationships between men and women)
What her stance was: Women have one way to act, men have another
What my stance was: Individuals are all essentially different - grouping them in order to explain the problems of clashing point of views is completely unnecessary. |
We are all different but members of the same sex, or same population or ethnic group inside the same geographical location or with similar cultural exposure will share similar behaviors. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Actually, I do agree with you (as this is something I clearly remember from my first studies on sociology). The reason why I asked her "why is it that there is still considerable difference between individuals?" is because if there's enough proof showing the differences between individuals of the same gender, and this is a social construct, why would one insist on making this girls-boys division so homogeneously? |
We are all different based on cultural exposure and personal experience. |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
girls: bitches
boys: s |
Thats my way of looking at it i guess. |
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