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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
My attitude might seem ignorant towards the Muslim community, I don't understand why they group togther and do not mix with other people. Why the rioting in Bradford, why the rioting in Birmingham? There is going to be severe problems if stuff like this keep happening because the BNP will use it as a propaganda tool.
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Wasnt one of the main reasons for the Bradford riots due to increase popularity of the BNP?
You'd think with the British experience up North they would know what to do and not to do when trying to deal with terrorists who are being made to feel like dirt. |
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| InterMilan31 |
Time for the UK and the rest of Europe to stop treating these Muslims with gentle hands. Im sick of that they dont obey the rules, they protest on anything that goes against allah. They scream racism and un-fairness. Im tired of this
great job for stopping these pigs |
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| JM |
thank God for racial profiling. Without it, these guys would've sneaked on by just like Michael Jackson
>JM< |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by InterMilan31
Time for the UK and the rest of Europe to stop treating these Muslims with gentle hands. Im sick of that they dont obey the rules, they protest on anything that goes against allah. They scream racism and un-fairness. Im tired of this
great job for stopping these pigs |
I'm suprised you don't support Lazio! |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
No Libya was a socialist pan-Arab nationalist state. The group that carried out the Lockerbie bombing were a socialist group. Nothing to do with Islam whatsoever.
None of them were against Britain. Try again...
They do mix! I live in an area full of Muslims and white people. Obviously your gonna get some that don't wanna blend in, but I'm not aure how you work out this is the norm? Maybe you should stop listening to what that idiot Griffin tells you?
Yet there was no Islamist threat before Iraq, so tell me how you can prove your point?
There's a fine line between freedom of speech and promoting violence. For example, many socialists/anarchists believe in the overthrowing of the state by force - would you have them shipped off to Egypt? As for Hamza, there was direct evidence (imo) that he had had a hand (well it would only be one hand!!) in the deaths of people abroad. That makes him a criminal, not his beliefs. |
haha, I'm not a supporter of Griffin or the BNP at all, well I do believe all natives should be kept in line from time to time and given a firm beating with a cane :rolleyes:
You live in let me guess Bradford, Leeds, Luton? It might work in certain areas. I don't have a problem with ethnic minorities coming over here, but please mix and intergrate in with the culture. In Northampton it hasn't happened well at all Whites & Blacks do not get on well with Muslims at all, it takes little things to spark things off.
At some parents evenings at schools here they have a choice of having an Urdo speaker! If they want to be part of this country surely they can speak English? I think that defys the object living in another country the least you can do is speak the language! If that offends anyone they can go eat as far I'm concerned.
Now here is another thing which annoys most people, you cannot do a single thing without being accused of being Racist or Xenophobic off some Liberal twat. The Human rights laws are stupid it's Political correctness gone mad.
Well George there not attacks on Britain directly but there attacks on spots which are popular with Western tourists and British people died, that to me is an attack on British people but on foreign soil.
I would remove them by force due to the fact they abuse freedom of speech by preaching hate. If someone stirs up any racial violence they should be locked up for a long time if their British born, deported if their foreign it's simple.
Socialists are a simple one I'd ship them all off to South Pole but that won't happen if their families intervined, the irony I find in the majority of the people who are socialists they grew up playing polo with Rupert and Geraldine.
Anarchists the same as socialists, go to University find the whole ideology of it all intresting then think it's fun to smash up the odd Maccy D's from time to time (Good idea on cutting down on Obesity problem but taking it a bit too far I think).
By the way you should stop hanging around with George Galloway :p |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Yes well your best guess is an attempt to dodge the blindingly obvious
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Great argument again Smiley.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Oh well if a bunch of TAs never refuted your point it must be true! :rolleyes: |
For the sake of further discussion in this forum, it should be. Seeing as you apparently see testing argument in favor of /opposition to a given proposal irrelevant here, I guess that we have quite different reasons for visiting this forum. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Great argument again Smiley. |
It was a response to your refusal to accept the obvious reason we had not been attacked prior to the Iraq War. This is simply due to your perceptions of these groups following the Danish Cartoon protests. The UK was attacked because it was perceived to be attacking Muslims in Iraq. That is what the terrorists themselves have said. You seem to love quoting individual persons when they call for world dominance (of which you offer little proof that this is what they actually think they can achieve or whether it is merely rhetoric, and you also seem to have little idea about which groups these individuals belong to or even if your sources are actually involved in terrorism) I offer you the voice of the actual person who committed these murders, and he says it is because of Iraq. Yet you chose not to accept that as the motive?
| quote: | | For the sake of further discussion in this forum, it should be. Seeing as you apparently see testing argument in favor of /opposition to a given proposal irrelevant here, I guess that we have quite different reasons for visiting this forum. |
I agree I was a little harsh and should have addressed whatever it was you said in the other thread rather than make the comment above |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
You live in let me guess Bradford, Leeds, Luton? It might work in certain areas. I don't have a problem with ethnic minorities coming over here, but please mix and intergrate in with the culture. In Northampton it hasn't happened well at all Whites & Blacks do not get on well with Muslims at all, it takes little things to spark things off. |
Leeds. And in your example, is this always the fault of the Muslims (do you know that they are for a fact Muslim, and not Hindu or Sikh?)
| quote: | | At some parents evenings at schools here they have a choice of having an Urdo speaker! If they want to be part of this country surely they can speak English? I think that defys the object living in another country the least you can do is speak the language! If that offends anyone they can go eat as far I'm concerned. |
I agree they should learn English. But speaking a different language does not make you a terrorist sympathiser!
| quote: | | Now here is another thing which annoys most people, you cannot do a single thing without being accused of being Racist or Xenophobic off some Liberal twat. The Human rights laws are stupid it's Political correctness gone mad. |
Can you be more specific about which laws you are talking about?
| quote: | | Well George there not attacks on Britain directly but there attacks on spots which are popular with Western tourists and British people died, that to me is an attack on British people but on foreign soil. |
Britain was not attacked and that is what I asked. Bali was not bombed to kill British people, it was bombed to kill westerners. I am asking you why Britain specifically was not targetted before Iraq, and nobody wants to answer it because it flies in the face of their views about evil Muslims...
| quote: | | I would remove them by force due to the fact they abuse freedom of speech by preaching hate. If someone stirs up any racial violence they should be locked up for a long time if their British born, deported if their foreign it's simple. |
If it can be proved that they are inciting and encouraging violence then yes, they should be deported (if foreign) or sent to jail (if British). However, it's a fine line and open to abuse by the authorities. For example, the anti-terrorist laws have mainly been used against anti-capitalist protests.
| quote: | Socialists are a simple one I'd ship them all off to South Pole but that won't happen if their families intervined, the irony I find in the majority of the people who are socialists they grew up playing polo with Rupert and Geraldine.
Anarchists the same as socialists, go to University find the whole ideology of it all intresting then think it's fun to smash up the odd Maccy D's from time to time (Good idea on cutting down on Obesity problem but taking it a bit too far I think).
By the way you should stop hanging around with George Galloway :p |
Well I would describe myself as a social democrat which is not what you describe above. I agree with your comments about Anarchists and Marxists (which I assume you incorrectly refer to as Socialists, as that is the broad umbrella term for left wing ideologies)
And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Galloway is a twat!!! |
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| George Smiley |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4789593.stm
Thank Allah!!! :D
I fly to Berlin in a few weeks and I'll be ed if I'm spending £20 on a thimble full of coke and one biscuit and a bit of cheese on the Ryan Air plane!!!
I'm gettin stocked up on plenty of normal priced food and eat it in the face of somebody who didn't think that far ahead!!! |
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| George Smiley |
| Actually, the more I think of it, the more it becomes obvious that this "threat" was created by a cartell of budget airlines wanting to force passengers to pay extortionate prices for the little scraps of food they serve aboard! They must have been raking it in this week!! |
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| Dale Gribble |
I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin machine.
So this, I believe, is the true story.
None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.
In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.
What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.
Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.
The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted for questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might be felt to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt that factors other than political ones might be at play within these relationships. Much is also being made of large transfers of money outside the formal economy. Not in fact too unusual in the British Muslim community, but if this activity is criminal, there are many possibilities that have nothing to do with terrorism.
We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that is plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for "Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought, wholesale, all the rubbish they have been shovelled.
We then have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, Home Secretary, making a speech warning us all of the dreadful evil threatening us and complaining that "Some people don't get" the need to abandon all our traditional liberties. He then went on, according to his own propaganda machine, to stay up all night and minutely direct the arrests. There could be no clearer evidence that our Police are now just a political tool. Like all the best nasty regimes, the knock on the door came in the middle of the night, at 2.30am. Those arrested included a mother with a six week old baby.
For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.
We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most of them do not fit the "Loner" profile you would expect - a tiny percentage of suicide bombers have happy marriages and young children. As they were all under surveillance, and certainly would have been on airport watch lists, there could have been little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity - that is certainly what we would have done with the IRA.
In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.
Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archiv...k_terror_p.html
So who is Criag Murray?
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/craig_murray.html |
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| sasslife |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
And what is your solution to the war on terror? |
Reduce rights for aliens within western countries.
Use collective punishment- Preach or act in a way which incites violence against the general public and you and your family are out.
If the people are then considered stateless than indeffinate setences
These animals are guests in western countries. This will never cease to be the case until their communities embrace OUR way of life. |
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