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Nine Ways Republicans Are Ruining the Country (pg. 3)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Al-Qaida is an ideology!!!
Ideologies don't mount terrorist attacks, they inspire them... |
they've been reduced to an ideology now. that's how you can get away with dismissing whatever violence doesn't fit your mold.
i'm sure you would have equated Al-Queera with just an ideology back in '98, no? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
America knew Japan was going to surrender and the nukes were for Russia's benefit, not to stop the war... |
i have seen others post this- since when were japan going to surrender? everything ive ever read/been taught were that they were never going to surrender? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
they've been reduced to an ideology now. that's how you can get away with dismissing whatever violence doesn't fit your mold.
i'm sure you would have equated Al-Queera with just an ideology back in '98, no? |
Al-Qaida was an extremely small group and has never been anythig but... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i have seen others post this- since when were japan going to surrender? everything ive ever read/been taught were that they were never going to surrender? |
And people on here have the nerve to talk abotu Islamic propaganda!!!
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?actio...&article=950711 |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
thanks heaps for that. great read.
this is what caught my eye the most
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Sojourners: Wouldn't Japan have been more inclined to surrender if we had guaranteed they could retain their emperor? What was preventing the United States from doing this?
Alperovitz: The real decision to use the atomic bomb was the decision not to give the Japanese another way to surrender. The documents make it very clear that it was known they would never surrender if we threatened their emperor-who was more like Jesus or Buddha in their theology. The demand for unconditional surrender was a threat to their entire culture, their religion, and their politics, and we knew it. |
I had no idea. i always thought the japanese culture at the time was too honourable to surrender. i should definitely watch out for things i 'learned' in highschool history :D
ive always been a bit on the fence on this issue, but assuming ^^ is true, thats just extra ed up. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
they've been reduced to an ideology now. that's how you can get away with dismissing whatever violence doesn't fit your mold.
i'm sure you would have equated Al-Queera with just an ideology back in '98, no? |
Yeah.. they were a large army of terrorists with top notch armory; with big bombs; lots of WMDs; huge army; and long range missles and rockets; they had the potential to invade USA.. Oh mighty what would this world would have done if mighty US woudnt have dismanteled Al-Qaida and saved this planet from their wrath..thank god USA invaded Afghanistan and reduced Al-Qaida to an ideology now.:rolleyes:
I'm sure Al-Queera is much more than what it was way back in '98. From a small local group they were; they are ing global now! |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Yeah.. they were a large army of terrorists with top notch armory; with big bombs; lots of WMDs; huge army; and long range missles and rockets; they had the potential to invade USA.. Oh mighty what would this world would have done if mighty US woudnt have dismanteled Al-Qaida and saved this planet from their wrath..thank god USA invaded Afghanistan and reduced Al-Qaida to an ideology now.:rolleyes:
I'm sure Al-Queera is much more than what it was way back in '98. From a small local group they were; they are ing global now! |
I don't actually think al-Qaida has been directly behind any attack including the 9/11 attacks. All al-Qaida has ever done is provide training to various groups around the world and provide funding for their activities. It is these groups that come up with the plans of attack and carries them out. al-Qaida helped provide funding, training and man power. Of course al-Qaida needed taking out but America(ns) thinks that'll do...
They just don't seem to understand what the threat is, and therefore, how to fight it... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Yeah.. they were a large army of terrorists with top notch armory; with big bombs; lots of WMDs; huge army; and long range missles and rockets; they had the potential to invade USA.. Oh mighty what would this world would have done if mighty US woudnt have dismanteled Al-Qaida and saved this planet from their wrath..thank god USA invaded Afghanistan and reduced Al-Qaida to an ideology now.:rolleyes:
I'm sure Al-Queera is much more than what it was way back in '98. From a small local group they were; they are ing global now! |
Don't kid yourself; they were global way before the States did anything... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Don't kid yourself; they were global way before the States did anything... |
What do you mean? Have al-Qaida ever really been global?? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
What do you mean? Have al-Qaida ever really been global?? |
Of course they were! Where yea been??
It's been listed here several times all the other targets al-Qaida have hit besides America... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Of course they were! Where yea been??
It's been listed here several times all the other targets al-Qaida have hit besides America... |
The phrase you are looking for is "linked to al-Qaida" which is another way of saying "not al-Qaida".
Al-Qaida the "group" (bin Laden, Zawahiri (who's group it really is) and the other 10 guys then hang with) is extremely small and provides logistical support to other groups plans. However, it would appear most of the time "linked to al-Qaida" is used simply means someone from a group went to Pakistan and had a chat with them. Al-Qaida provide inspiration and many of the terrorist attacks have been 'dedicated' to al-Qaida by those committing them. It was even another group who came up with the 9/11 attacks, and went to bin Laden to provide money and training.
This should show you that not only is the threat worse than what we are told to believe (basically loads of independant groups with nothing to do with bin Laden and all with their own local agendas). It also should show you that the war on terror is being fought wrongly. We are led to believe (or maybe our ruling elites actually believe?) that taking out al-Qaida will solve everything - it wont. But it is convenient that the way to take al-Qaida out is also the same neocon plan to achieve US global domination - funny that innit?
So we paint al-Qaida to be this James Bond style baddy organisation, and the grat unwashed lap it up cos they love a good Hollywood film, and the elite convince them that the actions they are taking is the only way to combat this fake global group is by supporting their own policies to dominate the world (eg Iraq, and next Iran)
We then see these independant groups, pissed off by America's "war on terror" (which is the PNAC plan to take over the world) attacking the West in retaliation. This is dismissed as "al-Qaida" and the public support the PNAC plan which has been responsible for 100s of deaths around the world due to the retaliatory terrorist attacks.
Only when you understand the true threat, and what is causing that threat, can you possibly hope to defeat it. However, if we carry on believing the false image of al-Qaida, and keep supporting Amercia's attempt to "destroy" it, we will continue to face terrorist attacks from these independant radical groups that we have no idea about... |
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| Fir3start3r |
I know what Al-Qaida is thanks.
You're separating them like there's some difference between them;
There is no difference between "links to Al-Qaida" or "Al-Qaida" itself; the end ideology is the same - terror.
You defeat yourself within your own post; if Al-Qaida is the mastermind behind everything, have the funds, provide the training and all the smaller factions want to emulate them, then logically it makes sense to take them out no? :conf: |
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