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The Debates: Issue #3 - Gun Control (pg. 3)
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| ABTsportsline |
this is great... two guys from minnesota duking it out on TA....
fight fight fight! my money's on Marc! ;)
-ABT- |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by ABTsportsline
this is great... two guys from minnesota duking it out on TA....
fight fight fight! my money's on Marc! ;)
-ABT- |
YEAH!! they should go on that Minnesota show where peeps bowl each other to decide who is right...;) late/ |
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| KaNoS |
| If you carry a gun, you might me tempted to use it |
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| DJ Dingel |
yes, the vikings do suck.
as far as those who want to give guns only to military/police and trust them a lot:
1. This ignores imports. Illegal guns can be acquired from other countries even if the US ban is 100% effective.
2. It ignores that millions of guns are in the US - a large number are already illegal and more are unregistered, so good luck recalling them.
3. Police are people too (they're still evil)... see that black guy in New York who got shot 43 times (that means they had to reload) because he held up his wallet and they "thought it was a gun"
4. The gov't is corrupt - the CIA sells narcotics in LA, etc etc.... there is no reason to trust people in the military and police more than yourself.
I welcome more debate, I'm bored. (and the other bulletin board I talk about politics on is down). |
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| DJ Dingel |
| quote: | Originally posted by ABTsportsline
If any of your suggestions would have been rational, i assure you the governments would have implemented them by now. Remember the real guys running our countries are smarter than most of us put together... it doesn't just come down to "thinking of a new law", it also comes down to thinking of the consequences, what will be the outcome?
-ABT- |
Ahahahaha... ABT, I respect most of your opinions regarding music, but this is ludicrous. Politicians don't make policy based on what is right, or best for everyone. they make policy based on power and money. that means, they make policy to either get reelected, have more control or get more donations.
Want proof that politicians don't even believe in their claimed "ideologies" (which is BS in the US, since neither of the major parties has a platform that has any principle to it)? The Republicans shot down a lot of budget packages that the GOP had formerly pushed when Clinton sent them to Congress because they were afraid of Clinton getting credit. That decision is political, not ideological/utilitarian. This doesn't even begin to describe pork barrel spending and pet projects that all kinds of politicians engage in to please campaign contributers.
The people running our country aren't smarter than us... well, maybe they are, cuz they were smart enough to get the dumb majority to elect them. But even if that's true, I refuse to surrender my free will, choices and decision making powers to them because somebody made them gods. Just because the average person is dumb doesn't mean the politician is smarter than me.
I'm taking the power back. |
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| ABTsportsline |
^^^ hehe i appreciate your honesty about "agreeing with me" usually (BTW on which music subjects? i almost never post in music discussion! :p )
if you re-read my post, i said (and stressed) that the real guys that run this country.... blah blah blah....
the politicans don't run this country... don't be so naive. The politicians are just figureheads... puppets at best. Who runs this country? those ********************* *************************** *************************** ***************************** ********** ******************* *******************. (edited by the US Government. Your user "ABTsportsline" knows too much) ....are the ones REALLY running this country.
Cheers
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ABTsportsline
^^^ hehe i appreciate your honesty about "agreeing with me" usually (BTW on which music subjects? i almost never post in music discussion! :p )
if you re-read my post, i said (and stressed) that the real guys that run this country.... blah blah blah....
the politicans don't run this country... don't be so naive. The politicians are just figureheads... puppets at best. Who runs this country? those ********************* *************************** *************************** ***************************** ********** ******************* *******************. (edited by the US Government. Your user "ABTsportsline" knows too much) ....are the ones REALLY running this country.
Cheers
-ABT- |
ahhahahha...LOL....SLICK;) ....that was real good....:stongue: :stongue: |
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| DJ Dingel |
I'll admit that your conspiracy theory is quite a good recovery, but it has one problem - the rest of you post contradicts it. The evil puppeteers wouldn't be out to protect the public, so one shouldn't expect the government to have implemented our good suggestions.
(music posts I refer to are usually ones in the rip on oakey threads) |
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| ABTsportsline |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Dingel
I'll admit that your conspiracy theory is quite a good recovery, but it has one problem - the rest of you post contradicts it. The evil puppeteers wouldn't be out to protect the public, so one shouldn't expect the government to have implemented our good suggestions.
(music posts I refer to are usually ones in the rip on oakey threads) |
LoL @ the rip oakey threads.... thanks.
as far as everything else, i dont contradict myself.... what i believe is not a conspiracy theory... its just the advisors and the groups that give all the money to parties during elections are the ones who's say really goes.... and of course you have the 3-tier system... and i don't refer to their choices as being the "safest", but their choices being the "best" in interests of popularity, reasonability, practicality, and safety all combined.
Think about it... as wrong and bad as many people think this country is being run, they're doing a pretty damn good job.... you have to keep track of and maintain a society of 260 million people... its not easy. Also count that 80% or so are content in their freedoms. You can't please all the people all the time. Also keep in mind that politicians either agree or disagree on all topics... there is ALWAYS a party you agree with... When it comes down to it, you can help decide the laws.
Anyway, this subject is beaten to death already... :)
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| SmellsExcellent |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Dingel
Okay, your interp of the American gov't is kinda wanky. The president isn't a monarchy, he's democratically elected. The Supreme Court isn't an oligarchy, it's a politically insulated institution that is based upon the results of a democratic (okay, technically the Electoral College is a democratic republican method) election procress.
the government is oppressive if 51% of people vote to strip the entire population of their guns, which are their personal property. That's a violation of rights. Rights should only be violated as a penalty for violating others' rights (you can't live in society if you're a murderer, you give up that right and get to sit in jail.) |
Aristotle formed the original blueprint for types of gevernment. There were 6 intotal, 3 "good" forms and 3 "bad" forms. The good are monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. (my bad on the oligarch above, slipped my mind... i meant aristocracy) the bad are tyranny, oligarchy, and anarchy. Montisquieu (SP?) a few centuries later, decided that a perfect government "separates the power" and Madison, the "Father of the COnstitution" used past experience (Aristotle, Montisquieu) and wrote the foundation for our government. Basically, our system is democracy and officials are democratically elected (1 point for POWER TO THE PEOPLE) and each branch has certain powers that are checked by the other two so's to not give up our personal freedoms and rights to the will of the gov't (2 points for POWER TO THE PEOPLE) officals and leaders. Lastly, OVERALL, the three branches do represent the three "good," pure forms of government, which do not turn bad (aristotle said that each good form would eventually turn bad due to human nature, sin, greed, etc.) because they force each other not to. I think that these three branches, combined with a bipartisan legislation, keeps our rights and freedoms as citizens stable until an issue powerful enough to pass through the loops arises. That issue may then be considered a good enough change to better EVERYONE in society and worthy of ratification into our constitution or lawbooks.
I think overall thats a pretty good statement... and I just woke up. ;)
Cheers,
Marc |
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| SmellsExcellent |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
YEAH!! they should go on that Minnesota show where peeps bowl each other to decide who is right...;) late/ |
Isn't it called "Lets Bowl?" HAA good call though.. this year I found out that my school has a Varsity Bowling Team!!~!:eyes: Im pissed I missed out on that, I love to bowl. :(
-M |
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