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An interesting peice on Hijabs by a Canadian convert
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| shaolin_Z |
Here's an little peice on Hijabs and how alot of Muslim women view it. I thought some of you might find it enlightning/interesting:
| quote: | The Hijab Experience of Canadian Muslim Women
by Katherine Bullock
The furor over the expulsion in 1995 of Quebec high school students who refused to remove their head scarves, with some people declaring the Hijab might not be considered proper “Canadian” dress, demonstrates that the West has not yet transcended the negative stereotype of the oppressed, veiled Muslim woman which has generated during the period of Western colonization of the Middle East. Indeed Muslim women in the West are still discriminated against based upon these myths. The aim of this paper is to bring the perspective of some Muslim women who cover willingly into the debate over Hijab.
They Say, 'You Don't Have To Wear That In Canada'
Muslim women in Hijab are regularly told by Canadians “This is Canada. You're free here. You don't have to wear that thing on you head.” Nur, a university student, discovered one day that this view of Hijab can lead people to be quite hostile. At university one day, a woman angrily approached her, asking why Nur was dressed like that, bringing herself so much attention, and bringing “backwardness” to Canada, when feminists had worked so hard for the cause of women for the last twenty years.
The Hijab Is A Commandment From God
When asked to explain why they covered, the women I interviewed said they believed that in the Quran God commanded women to cover their hair, and that Prophetic statements backed that up. For them, Hijab symbolizes, not oppression or terrorism, as it does in mainstream Western discourse, but “purity,” “modesty,” a “woman's Islamic identity,” and “obedience, or submission to God and a testament that you're Muslim.” Halima, a convert to Islam, adds that Hijab symbolizes “the woman's power to take back her own dignity and her own sexuality.”
Hijab : Not a Result Of An 'Anti-Woman' Interpretation
The women I interviewed are aware of feminist arguments that they are being duped by an anti-woman interpretation of the Quran. However, they reject this suggestion, and in so doing demonstrate they do not follow Quranic verses blindly. They have considered various interpretations of the Quran, and chosen that which made most sense to them. They are not, as conventional wisdom in the West suggests, duped women following the dictates of men. They all believed that the Quranic verse asking women to cover their hair is straightforward. Nadia captures the women's position well: “I have to say that when I read the Ayah (verse) that says take your headdress and put it over your bosom (Quran 4:30-31), it's pretty clear to me that there is an assumption that you're wearing a head dress, and that's part of the Islamic dress. I mean why didn't He [God] just say ‘wear a high neck collar?’ {laughs} You know, if it was your bosom that was the important thing then why wasn't there more stress on, um, you know put a button in the top of your shirt, or something, I dunno. Or make sure your bosom is covered, or um, that kind of thing.” Raneem, a convert to Islam, added even if Hijab was just a cultural thing, “it's a good thing to do.”
Why Do Muslim Women Wear Hijab and Not Men?
Westerners are often puzzled to see Muslim women covering their bodies more than Muslim men do, and see that as a proof of the woman's inferior status. Islam lays out a dress code for both male and female believers, but the requirements for covering are different: a man is to cover from navel to knee, and wear opaque, loose clothing (tight jeans are out of the question); women cover more, everything but face and hands. All of the women I interviewed believe that these differences are due to inherent differences between men and women. They say that men are more easily turned on sexually than are women. The point to covering is not that sexual attraction is bad, only that it should be expressed between a husband and wife inside the privacy of the home. A public space free of sexual tensions is seen as a more harmonious and peaceful place for human beings, men and women, to interact, do business, and build a healthy civilization.
Even Many Non-Muslim Men Seem To Respect Hijab
These women see Hijab as a benefit to society, as a protection for women, and as a source of inner peace. Several women, especially converts who started covering in their twenties, felt men, even non-Muslim men, approached them more respectfully, did not try to flirt with them or make “leering” comments, and treated them as ‘persons’ not ‘sex-objects.’ Halima also pointed out that male-female interactions were based on more than just the clothes: Hijab is a mode of decorous behavior as well, “when you're covered, you're not going to be a flirtatious person.”
Women Should Care How Their Dress Affects Men
My interviewees reject the feminist argument that women should not care how their dress affects men. They reply that Muslim women and men are brothers and sisters in faith, and find nothing wrong in helping men practice their faith better. As Zainab, a convert to Islam, said: “women have been exploited so much, and men make such silly fools of themselves over women, that I really think it's a good thing for the men, that women wear Hijab. Why encourage jealousy or envy or anything like that? Why encourage the negative emotions?”
Male-Female Differences Not a Sign of Inequality
Many feminists argue that to believe in male-female differences is to accede to women's oppression, because it is these differences which have been used to stop women from realizing their potentials. The Muslim women in the survey do not agree that believing in male-female differences is to believe women and men are unequal. They all believed that men and women are different, and that women and men are equal in Islam. For these women, the principal definition of equality is how human beings are in relation to God. The Quran unequivocally states that men and women are equal in the eyes of God. Men and women were created from a single soul, and are both the trustees of God on earth (Quran 2:30), individually responsible and accountable for their actions. However, these women do not believe that male-female differences include traditional western notions of men being more rational or intelligent than women. In addition, the women were not of the opinion that a woman's childbearing nature meant she could not be in the work force, and nor did they believe that a man's duty to support his family financially meant that he should not do household chores. The women referred back to the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), who used to mend his clothes, sweep his house, and perform other chores. The view that men and women have inherent differences is a source of the conflicting understanding of women's position in Islam between the West and my interviewees.
Equality Between Men And Women is Not Sameness
They argue that equality does not have to mean sameness, and criticize western presumptions that if men and women are not doing something in an identical manner they must be unequal. Nor do the women believe that Hijab hinders their freedom, rather Hijab is seen as a device to facilitate Muslim women's movements outside the home. Nadia expresses the sentiment well: ”I kinda see [Hijab] the opposite way [from being a sign of constraint]. I kinda think that if you've covered yourself Islamically, then there wouldn't be a reason for you to stay home, I mean that was the whole point, that you've removed the attention to yourself, so now you're out there to do your business, based on who you are, I mean what you have to say and what you're going to contribute and not what you look like, and that kind of thing.”
The women argue that the idea that Hijab means women should not go outside is contradicted by the Sunnah of the Prophet: during his lifetime women were very actively involved in the community, in business, in fighting wars, in scholarship and so on.
Hijab Gives Women Self-Esteem
An aspect of Hijab that came through strongly in the interviews was how wearing Hijab gives these women sources of inner strength and a high level of confidence and self-esteem.
For example, men and women learn from an early age that women (all of them) are beautiful, and this is the reason they cover. That message is good for women's self-esteem, as well as for the way men think about women. The message compares favorably to that of the West where we see anorexia and bulimia on the increase as young women attempt to reach an unattainable ideal of female beauty.
Hijab Gives Women Inner Peace
Many women stressed how comfortable they felt wearing Hijab, how it made them feel good about themselves, and brought them a feeling of inner “peace”.
Ellen, a convert to Islam, stresses that in Hijab she feels “like I am doing something to please God, you know....it makes you feel good about yourself. You feel different in a good way, because you're not exposing yourself and you know, you're not exposed to many things like you would be if you're not covering.”
Discrimination Against Women Who Wear Hijab
Muslim women in the West who cover suffer daily indignities from the people around them because of the way they dress. The Western image that they are oppressed, or represent a terrorist religion makes it difficult for them to be accepted easily by the Canadian community. Because Islam is not well understood in the West, some converts also have problems with their families, friends and colleagues about becoming Muslim and about wearing Hijab. Other women face opposition from their own (Muslim) families as well, in their decision to cover. This is because in many Muslim countries, the West has been seen as the model to imitate in order to ‘progress,’ and they tried to shed Islam and all that was associated with it. Hijab is associated with something ‘backward,’ ‘low-class’ people do, or as something only old women do. Many see Hijab as ugly and as reducing the chances for a young woman to get married. Muslims who grow up in Canada often object to Hijab, taking on the Western perception of the meaning of Hijab. Several of the women (born Muslim) in this study had battled families in order to cover.
Some Positive Reactions To Hijab
And yet, many of the women I interviewed stressed that overall they do not get too many hostile reactions and some of them also experience positive reactions from non-Muslims. They think that Toronto (Canada) is so multicultural that people are used to seeing all different kinds of dress.
Bringing Up The Hijab Question When It's Not Relevant
Sometimes Muslim women have problems with people in situations where their identity is really irrelevant to the situation at hand. Zainab has been a patient in a hospital and had her doctor tell her she should not have embraced Islam because she became a “second class citizen.” He asked her “don't you know how badly the women are treated in Islam?” Rania, who is a doctor, finds sometimes patients will interrupt their visit to her to ask her “Where is she from?” Or why is she “dressed like that?” Rania said that she finds that “there's the time to explain and then there's the time to just give a brief answer and go on to other things...I mean you may look like a Muslim, but you have a job to do, and let's talk about why you're here, and I'm the doctor and you're the patient okay?”
The Pressure To 'Look Canadian'
Given these kinds of negative reactions to Hijab, it is not surprising that many Muslims try to hide their Islamic identity. The pressure for Muslims to assimilate to the ways of the West is great.
Safiyah is under such pressure from her husband to “look Canadian”. He did not seem to mind that she wore Hijab in Algeria, but in their first six months in Canada, so many people stared at them, that he felt uncomfortable with her in Hijab. Although the staring didn't bother Safiyah, her husband has successfully pressured her to stop covering. The women I interviewed referred to Canada as a multicultural and multi faith society in a positive way, and appreciate the liberty and protection Canadian law gave them to practice their religion as any other group can. They thought as does Halima: “if Canada boasts you can practice your religious freedom of thought and beliefs, if a woman believes she should wear her Hijab why shouldn't she? She's not hurting anybody, I mean if people can go down Yonge street [a popular Toronto haunt] almost naked, why should her putting a scarf on her head bother people, why should that upset somebody?”
Hijab Is A Respectable Thing
Muslim women want non-Muslims to think that Hijab is a respectable thing, not degrading or “oppressive.” They like to be seen just as an ordinary person who deserves to be respected. Raneem said, “Just take me as I am you know, like they should accept me for who I am, not for the way I look and that goes for everybody.”
Halima was clear in her views. She said, “I would like them to respect our choice and not exclude women who wear Hijab from certain things [like] in Quebec [...] I mean this is truly oppression, they say the woman is oppressed because she's wearing the Hijab, but the true oppression is preventing somebody from going to school because they have a scarf on their head, the larger issue is we'd like everybody to know about Islam so more people would accept it.” Sadia said her Hijab should tell others, “That I'm a Muslim, so I want them to know that, I'm doing this because I'm obeying God, and it's a free country and I can do what I want. And that I don't’ care if I'm accepted by them or not, I'm going to do it anyway.”
Katherine Bullock, a convert to Islam since 1994, was a doctoral candidate at the University of Toronto when this article was originally published in the March/April 1998 issue of Islamic Horizons magazine. |
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| Fir3start3r |
The main point being of course that they have the freedom to choose to wear it (or not).
It was the same thing with the Muslims in the Canadian RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) headgear; the RCMP now has a headgear specifically for them while on duty.
I have nothing against women wearing burkas (edit: or Hijabs) but it's unfortunate, no thanks to the media, that it's become a symbol of oppression against women. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The main point being of course that they have the freedom to choose to wear it (or not). |
If they interpret those paricular verses to mean Hijab in the first place which majority do I guess. ;)
NOTE: The word "Hijab" is no where to be found in the Quran. |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
If they interpret those paricular verses to mean Hijab in the first place which majority do I guess. ;)
NOTE: The word "Hijab" is no where to be found in the Quran. |
I realize there is a lot of controversy surrounding the hijab. I guess I just wish people let others do as they pleased in a sense.
I see teens to mothers wearing the hijab and I don't get bothered by it.
My understanding is that the main reason why the culture of wearing the hijab exists predates Islam and Muhammed / محمد . |
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| tathi |
| I doubt Hindu / Yogi men who cover there hair with turbans are at the tail end of racism as much as women with Hijabs :/ |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
anyone should be free to attire themselves as they see fit, but the idea that a religion that tells you how to dress ISNT actually oppressive is laughable.
whilst i do agree with them that equality (between men and women) does not necessarily mean sameness, it also doesnt mean strict, rigid differences (ineligibility to vote or walk alone or attend sporting events).
the stark differences between how the law treats the sexes is horrible. watched an horrific doco not too long ago of a 16yo girl who was raped, and then executed in iran for pre-marital sex.
whether the hijab represents patriarchal oppression or not, theres no debating the second-class status of women in many islamic countries. the oppression need not be patriarchal in nature either, as far as im concerned, if a religion is telling you how to dress, then that is inherently oppressive as well. if women were free to not wear the hijab/burka etc (in islamic countries), then its wearing wouldnt represent possible oppression. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| ^^^ Are you capable of conceiving that some people have values different from yours and you don't really understand them? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
^^^ Are you capable of conceiving that some people have values different from yours and you don't really understand them? |
thats hardly a criticism of anything ive written.
firstly, values are not, a priori, deserving of respect.
secondly, i dont have a problem with different values. they act as a catalyst for the synthesis of ideas after all. what i DO have a problem with, is religious belief dictating to people how to live, in this case, how to dress. its ridiculous and antiquated.
values should be about CHOICE, not blind adherence or penalty of (sometimes extreme) punishment.
i dont see how you can argue that women given the choice to wear (or not) religiously specific clothing has anything to do with me having different values. or that possessing this choice is a negative concept.
me having different values does not make muslim women's subordination any less disgraceful. |
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| LazFX |
Taken From another board,
| quote: | Why do Muslims around the world refuse to integrate into the cultur & Socities of their host countries?
Muslims in the west have known to be hostile to their host countries culture & societies. Why do muslims have to live in ghetto's, prime examples are countries like Holland, France and UK where the Muslim communities tend to be isolated from the rest of the country. Their second generation children are quick to be seen as westernised and modern but the moment it comes down to a political/socio Issues concerning Islam that they are quick to denounce the west?
Why is it that in countries such as Saudi Arabia and many more in the Middle East other religious institutions are banned and people found promoting other religions are threatened with beheading?
This is a smack in the face of West and shows the double standards of Islam. Just because Middle East is predominantly Muslim, You have the right to ban all other religions. Muslims around the globe demand equality and tolerance to their own religion yet Middle East collectively pursues Religious persecution by denying construction of churches, Temples etc in their own lands.
Why do all Muslims have to hate Jews?
I agree that in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict both the Israeli's and Palestinians are at fault but that does not mean that every muslim despise the Jews.
Just like not every German is responsible for the Holoucast similarly not every Jew is responsible for the crisis in Israel and Palestine. Why does every Muslim have to utter the words "Death to Jews" and that they are terrorists when 99% of Muslims around the world are not familiar with the root causes of this conflict.
Why do the Muslims expect the West to repent for deaths and hold the West responsible in Middle East when they themselves are incapable of bringing about a change?
No one denies the fact that the Foreign policies of West have played an important role in the accumulating problems of Middle East but is the Muslim world shouting the fact that they themselves are incapable of bringing about a change. With the exception of Turkey all Muslim states are either run by dictators or Monarchs. When a country like India can peacefully make the British submit why can't the Muslim world do so.
With all the ranting about USA & its policies it is the muslims themselves who support such opressives regimes and choose to live under them. Their lacks a will throughout the Middle East to bring about a change.
Why do the Muslims expect the West to change its ways when the Muslim world itself shows disregard for human life * follows a clear-cut policy of discrimination?
In its struggle for whatever it is the Muslim world seeks, it has to ensure that it sends out the signal that above their every need they value Human life. So far the muslim world has not only failed to send out a clear signal but has also shown complete disdain for the human life specially of Non-Muslims.
Why is every Jew evil?? Father of Mohd Atta while praising the London attacks remarked to the reporter that if he had been a JEW "He would have refused to talk to him and let him in his house"
Is this not discrimination and stupidity?? Why should muslims not be treated like this when they themselves treat others with such disdain.
The list is never ending and there many more questions I can ask and statements I can provide which will raise many more thorny issues exisiting in out society today.
Doesn't anyone, after reading this agree with the fact that the Muslims around the world have been hypocrites when it has come to dealing with the West. They have lived in the West and yet denounce the West for the fact they don't understand is that if it was Middle East or any other Islamic state they would be beheaded.
They ghetto up in these countries and blankly refuse to integrate into Western socities!!! Why do u even stay in the West? Why not go back if you despise the West so much. Their whole process of preventing their kids from getting married into a non-believe stinks to the bottom of it.
For I declare this the hypocrisy and Ignorance of the Muslim world. Even Educated Muslims fall into the same category for one only needs to bring up Islam into a conversation and the rest will be all clear as arguements will be heard on how the West treats Muslims Blah Blah.
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With all due respect, I am getting a little tired of the type of "complaining" muslim, especially a muslim that live in the west that complain about how unfair the west is. Just like the Mexicans that come to the states and I say this to them. "You left Mexico to better yourself from the state you lived in, but yet you do not want to leave Mexico in your mind. Why do you still want to live your life as if you where still in Mexico? Why do you not want to learn the language, learn the culture and only live in seperation from the society that has allowed you to enter into it?" Why do the Muslims want to live thier life in the same fashion they have struggled to leave behind in the first place? |
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| shaolin_Z |
I wasn't attempting to argue about anything by creating this thread, just presenting a perspective quiet alien to most Westerners. It was an attempt at education, not consent to any set of values. I don't care for your unfounded pre-concieved notions and close-minded view on religion or this particular aspect of it. Your entitled to your own opinion regarless of how ignorant or enlightened it is. But just because you can't distinguish between religion and opressive state laws doesn't make them one and the same.
Individual liberty does't take precedent over [personal interpretation of] God's word, in a religious framework mind you. You really don't have any business telling them what they should believe, how they should interpret it, or what role it should play in their lives? Stop being so damn judgemental.
Are you capable of setting aside your world view and biases and trying to look at something from another perspective at all?
The point wasn't to agrue for or against anything, but to educate on another perspective. Apparently you're pretty slow on the pick up. Your childish immature outburst only makes you come across as close minded and foolish.
EDIT: This response was directed at pkc. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Maybe I should just delete this thread since it obviously backfired. I guess people are more interested in pushing their ignorant preconcieved notions rather than listening to another perspective. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Maybe I should just delete this thread since it obviously backfired. I guess people are more interested in pushing their ignorant preconcieved notions rather than listening to another perspective. |
Z, come on man? Ignorant preconcieved notions? What makes me ignorant when I question why Muslims feel they need to push thier culture on the west, Hijabs, Extended Breaks in the Job, the little thing like banning a pizza party at work to playing thier prayers over loud speakers in a quite neighbor hood??
Why cannot the Muslim adjust thier culture as every other culture has to the new world they choose to enter as opposed to trying to change it? But go a head and delete it, you deleting it makes you appear to be just like you stated we are being to this thread. I personally see nothing wrong with muslims practicing thier religion, I do see the "special" treatment and how people seem not to want to piss off a muslim a big problem. No one is scared to piss of a christian or a hindu, why is that?? Your culture is just adding to the so called ignorance by bieng just as closed minded as the west is.... We are both at Fault. This is why religion is so stupid, it creates divides and causes wars, and worse of all, possibly just caused me to loose you as a possible supporter to my gigs in Austin, :(
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