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| Lira |
I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I'm summarising, rather than translating word for word - feel free to correct any misunderstanding of mine :)
| quote: | It's not racism...
Today I started thinking about why racism exists specially towards blacks. Basically, wherever I go you can notice a certain hatred toward Haitians and the blacks in general, and it made me think whether this discrimination was justified or if this one of the wanderings [sic] of the human psique.
Here are some facts:
- The African continent and the Africans are the origins of humanity, being recognised worldwide as the region humanity comes from (The Australopithecus was found in South Africa)
- Humans close to the Equador have darker skin colour.
- The first civilisations out of Africa developed writing systems, learned iron working and created more complex societies.
- All other human races created stable civilisations and technologic advances that influenced human history, such as the Chinese Empire, the Mayas, Incas, Greeks and Romans.
- The first independent black country in the world was Haiti, in 1801, and it was the 2nd American country to declare independence, right after tha United States.
After thinking for thinking a lot and doing some research, I concluded that:
- Even though Africa is the place where humankind originated, it's been in the same situation for more than 2 thousand years, as an extremely rotten, disorganised and savage, even though it has enough opportunities to develop and ditch poverty (being the world's main producer of gold and diamonds in the world, among other things). We could also have Haiti as an example, being one of the oldest countries in the continent, equally rich in natural resources as its neighbouring country, the Dominican Republic, and it's been unable to develop, being virtually in the same situation for the last 150 years.
- The problem of Africans is not the discrimination nor the opression by other races since it was never oppressed back when it was isolated from the others in Africa, since the problem is inside itself, its culture, in its closed way of being that makes it difficult to develop at the same pace of others, and makes them live in huts and hunting their own food as their ancestors did 2 thousand years ago.
- Africa didn't develop even with the help of developed countries.
Sure, there have been creat Black figures, but if we think from an objective viewpoint, none of the great inventions of the world were created by them.
Thus, I'd like to declare that the racism is totally justified and that the mission of developed countries is to help those in need instead of discriminating agianst them, but I also believe that the fault is in not in the racists, but in the Blacks themselves for not having developed as the others. |
This person certainly didn't do any research. First of all, I could think, from the top of my head, of just 4 great African empires:
- Zulu Empire
- Mali Empire
- Songhai Empire
- Egyptians (whose writing system is quite famous)
- edit: Cartaghe
Also, as for inventions, we must remember that most of Africa had enough resources and positive conditions for its inhabitants, so they didn't a science similar to that of Europe or the Middle East. The same can be seen in South America - both Mayas and Incas lived in less confortable regions than the Guarani, for example, who never really needed to leave the "hunter & gatherer" system. In spite of everything they had, we can also mention the Ishango bone, which shows traces of mathematical notation.
Finally, comparing the independence of the United States with the independence of Haiti is a pretty ignorant way of seeing history. Haiti was a land of slaves, who had rebelled against their lords and were left with nothing - the first American immigrants were looking for religious freedom, and their status was not comparable to that of the Haitians. |
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| jdat |
You wanna know what pisses me off?
Is these stupid charity drives to help Africa!!!!
That is NOT the solution to solving the problems over there.
Debt relief won't do jack either.
The key to getting Africa out of the hole is:
-Ending political corruption and misuse of money ( from international aide etc )
-Economic substainability by way of efforts to create local businesses ( I don't know if the micro-credit concept exists over there but that could also help plenty. ) |
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| kadomony |
| Too bad you can't buy a voodoo globe so that you could make the earth spin real fast and freak everybody out. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| J what do you want to talk about? |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
J what do you want to talk about? |
Thou shall not ask a question to which they would not answer to themselves :p
aka You find a topic ;)
***edit***
it's 3.50 am I am off to bed. This conversation will have to continue without me. It was a pleasure "talking" with all of you. |
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| Xenocreator_PG_ |
I want to talk about infinity.
This post is finite, therefore I am, therefore jdat is too. How many finites does it take to change a light bulb and how many finites does it take to fill up one infinite? If one infinite ran into another infinite, would they be annoyed with each other for taking up too much space? Can Jdat shrink himself into the infinte & then pop out the other side into the 6th dimension?? |
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| take5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
I want to talk about infinity.
This post is finite, therefore I am, therefore jdat is too. How many finites does it take to change a light bulb and how many finites does it take to fill up one infinite? If one infinite ran into another infinite, would they be annoyed with each other for taking up too much space? Can Jdat shrink himself into the infinte & then pop out the other side into the 6th dimension?? |
eh? |
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| DjConfessions |
| how about gag reflex |
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| Xenocreator_PG_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by take5
eh? |
This may unhelp you overstand
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| igottaknow |
| Let's talk about Marianas Trench. You can't get any deeper than that! :disbelief |
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