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| crazedonee |
| you hear a lot about the supersaw ,the square,pulse and noise waveforms.As popular for trance. but what about other waveforms im sure there are many other waveforms that would be great for the genre ,what are some of the waveforms you would use besides a supersaw to make a main riff? |
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| Synchronicity |
| The hexagon is becoming more popular. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Dodecagon FTW.
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Nah, certain waveforms (and close variants of them) will always be your mainstays in subtractive synthesis, simply because of their harmonic properties. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Synchronicity
The hexagon is becoming more popular. |
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| everyMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazedonee
you hear a lot about the supersaw ,the square,pulse and noise waveforms.As popular for trance. but what about other waveforms im sure there are many other waveforms that would be great for the genre ,what are some of the waveforms you would use besides a supersaw to make a main riff? |
It seems like that you are about to get into FM synthesis and wavetables. |
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| thecYrus |
| as long as you're using subtractive synthesis you'll only use sine.. (pulse, saw and even supersaws are alayws only multiple sines) |
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| everyMan |
| hum cYrus.. of course the sine is the most basic waveform and you can acheive every waveform with the right formula and the sin() cos() function. But, why did you say "only substractive synthesis" ? This stands for every single sound in nature. |
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| thecYrus |
| because the pure waveforms of subtractive synthesis has over the whole time the same sines in the same relative frequencies. the nature sounds and wavetables are the sounds which change the different frequencies of the sines independently and so i wouldn't count them into the same category. but of course fm is built on pure sines too.. (but has some different "sine shaping" methods.) |
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| Derivative |
Pink noise is mostly used to test frequency response rather than for any sound design purposes. You can use it but a spectrum of pink noise is totally flat when you log it.
| quote: | | as long as you're using subtractive synthesis you'll only use sine.. (pulse, saw and even supersaws are alayws only multiple sines) |
Nah thats additive synthesis. You can theoretically build any sound by superimposing multiple sine waves and offsetting the phase and changing period of each one to various degrees. But the process is complicated and I suck at additive synthesis.
Subtractive synthesis works the opposite way. You start with 3 basic wave forms which are carriers. Saw wave contains the fundamental frequency and all odd and even harmonics thereafter. Square wave contains the fundamental and all odd harmonics thereafter. Sine wave contains the fundamental and has no harmonics.
You sometimes get other waves like Triangle waves which again contain only the odd harmonics but it doesn't clip so it sounds more like a sine wave with some odd harmonic content. That hexagonal wave is basically a clipped triangle wave.
The point is that in subtractive synthesis you start with a block of sound which contains all harmonics and you shave off the ones you dont want using a filter. This would be akin to starting with a lump of clay and carving away at it to form more complex shapes.
With additive synthesis you don't need a filter. This is akin to building a three dimensional sculpture from nothing and adding clay deliberately to create complex shapes.
You can build all of those basic waveforms (square, saw, triangle etc) using sine waves but you really need to know what you are doing and the maths behind it. Its still additive synthesis though. Subtractive synthesis is like an applied, simplified and reorganised version of some of the principles of additive synthesis. You dont need to synthesise common waveforms - someone has done them for you. You don't need to know anything about maths to get alot out of a subtractive synth. To get alot out of an additive synth involves mathematical knowledge and the study of wave spectrums. I also hate programming additive synths and find you can get lost really easily. And theres less room for building spontaneous sounds that sound...you know...good. |
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| KilldaDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
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| DigiNut |
I've always been partial to DTMF signals myself.
That and the "repeating penis pulse" waveform, of course. |
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| /I\ |
hexagon :eyes: hahahahahahahaha :haha:
wonder what that sounds like with unision and a little detune ? :stongue: |
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