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UFC: Hughes vs PENN (pg. 5)
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ I wondered about how prevalent that was in the 'lower' ranked events (people out to injure or who refuse to tap). I imagine that at lower levels, there are all kinds of people who compete for the wrong reasons?
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Lots of them. They see the big leagues and the show that goes on as guys give thier pregame talks about hurting thier opponents and think thats what its really about. The true martial arts guys are the ones that bow or at least shake hands before and after and can congratulate the winner at the end. I hate artificial grudge matches like the guys that have never met but already know they hate each other. :rolleyes:
Now that said there are lots of guys in the lower leauges that do compete for the correct reasons. Some of the enthusiasts are the nicest guys out there and just want to compete. I saw a guy once offer to drive his opponent after a match to the hospital because they thought his ankle may be hurt after he landed a kick on the guys elbow. I have a lot of respect for those guys. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ interesting...I ask because over the last couple of months, I've been seriously contemplating learning Muay Thai...though am not terribly interested in serious competition outside of the obvious sparring required to learn and become proficient (parially because I'm 33 in about a month, lol).
I'm more intersted from a fitness and discipline standpoint, and to a lesser extent, self-defense (beats just learning to box). A lot of people suggest grappling and jiu jitsu because it can be practiced well into your older years since the emphasis is on technique vs. power, speed, etc., correct?
side note....I wish people who don't like MMA would just admit they don't like it and stop trying to say it's any more of a brutal, dangerous sport than other pro sports.
for those hung up on injury and fatality issues...why not look at major sports like auto racing or football?
Without fail, every year there are serious injuries in both sports and *at least* one death in a pro, college or high school football training camp (there's an article in today's Toronto Star about a U.S. college player's death this week, as a matter of fact).
while I understand that some people don't find combat sports attractive...or find them 'brutish'...I think it's unfair to suggest that they are any more dangerous than other pro sports. |
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| Time2Burn |
^^ well said Mark. Thats where I come from too. Its a stigma attached to MMA that they are slowly ridding themselves of. Unlike the early days when UFC in particular was marketing themselves as "no rules". I really think that hurt their PR big time.
I understand this type of sport is not for all. It is barbaric. But I like it and it is a legitimate sport.
In refernce to you looking to Muay Thai you should look into Toronto BJJ. They are starting Muay Thai courses along side BJJ. Plus they have a weight room, an octagon, and big names like GSP coming though on a regular. |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ interesting...I ask because over the last couple of months, I've been seriously contemplating learning Muay Thai...though am not terribly interested in serious competition outside of the obvious sparring required to learn and become proficient (parially because I'm 33 in about a month, lol).
I'm more intersted from a fitness and discipline standpoint, and to a lesser extent, self-defense (beats just learning to box). A lot of people suggest grappling and jiu jitsu because it can be practiced well into your older years since the emphasis is on technique vs. power, speed, etc., correct?
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If I didn't have so many years invested in Karate then I would have switched to Muay Thai a long time ago. As far as I'm concered nothing can touch it when it comes to allaround striking. Yes boxers have more dangerous punches but a knee strike landing on your chest is the same as 35 MILE/hour car crash with no seat belt when it's applied properly. The discovery channel brought in a bunch of crash test dummies and told the different martial arts guys to 'give it their all'. The look on the scientists faces when the Muay Thai guy went for it was pretty funny. They all turned to each and had this look of 'oh !'. But Standup with no ground game is (imho) %50 useful/useless. If you want something that kind of does them both then try Japanese style Jiu-Jitsu. It's ground game is not as good as BJJ and its stand up is not as good Muay Thai but it's a nice easy going workout that will give you knowledge and experience in both disciplines.
If you feel you body can take it though, then train in BJJ and Muay Thai.
Yes there are guys out there in thier later years (over 40+) who train BJJ and Muay Thai but for the most part both styles are too agressive and injuries often pull people out of the game before they have the chance to grow old with the sport.
I for one have already started thinking about what other styles to switch to in a few years once my body can't take the beating anymore.
It's your pick. The old age thing is half true. It is based on technique over strength, but 1)strength will always play a role in addition to your technique and 2)getting older and still doing BJJ is more of an issue regarding your injuries not your fitness.
Have fun and pay attention to your body, some injuries never heal the way they should and you may regreat sparing with that stupid new guy to BJJ who was too excited for his first submission and didn't give you a chance to tap.... there are lots of them.
Let me know if you have any other questions. I've trainned in about a dozen different martial arts and compete regularly at everything from local events to representing Canada internationally last year in a style of tournament that is open to all striking martial arts (so I obviously have to learn what their strengths are so I know what I'm up against and play to their weaknesses). |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by nusty
now regarding the questions about Pride FC...
What's happening is that Pride is coming to Vegas and as such they are bringing some of thier big stars to fight the US guys.
more info at http://www.pridefc.com/pride2005/us_fightcard.htm
it is happening on the 21st of Oct as mentioned earlier and will be avail. on PPV in North America.
I think henderson and belford will be the best fight on this card! The rest of them don't really excite me much anymore. |
OMG THEY'RE BRINGING EMELIANENKO!!! I WORSHIP HIM!!!
Can't believe i'm going to miss this... i could have seen him live! /cry :( :( :( :(  |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
OMG THEY'RE BRINGING EMELIANENKO!!! I WORSHIP HIM!!!
Can't believe i'm going to miss this... i could have seen him live! /cry :( :( :( :( |
Laur, you have a real vicious streak that we don't know about, do you? ;)
LOL! Butterbean. He's still doing this ? |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Laur, you have a real vicious streak that we don't know about, do you? ;)
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Yes :D I don't know why MMA appeals to me so much but i can't get enough of it! :D |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
Yes :D I don't know why MMA appeals to me so much but i can't get enough of it! :D |
My girlfriend is the same way. She doesn't really watch it on her own but if I'm in town she gets right into it and knows all the key players and their background info. lol. It's funny seeing her step into conversations I'll be having with guys about an upcoming fight and seeing the reaction on thier faces when they realize that this small cute 5'2" brunette knows her MMA! |
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| Abercrombie |
| My childhood friend, Annette in Montreal, says watching them turns her on. Even funnier: She plays for the other team. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
My childhood friend, Annette in Montreal, says watching them turns her on. Even funnier: She plays for the other team. |
OMG.
She's a communist?!?!?!?! |
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
My childhood friend, Annette in Montreal, says watching them turns her on. Even funnier: She plays for the other team. |
Yeah I've got a pretty strong feeling that's why my GF likes watching guys like G.S.P. fight. When he cuts down for weight he comes in ripped... I even heard her gasp a little last time and when I turned to her she started blushing and denying it. It sucked for me because at the time I was doing a lot of core strength conditioning and bulking so my definition was sucking pretty bad compared to what it had been just a few months earlier. It's arguably the first time in my life I've felt like a girlfriend would be more turned on by someone else's physic. :( I didn't think guys were supposed to feel self conscious! lol. *I got over it pretty fast, but was certianly weird territory for me though*
Anyone have a pic of GSP being fat and eating chips? :D |
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| MarkT |
^^^ haha...and in GSP's case, you can't even threaten to beat the guy up if they met and flirted ;) (thanks for the insight in your previous thread...I'll no doubt PM you sometime for more info)
In a sea of ugly, scarred, cauliflower-eared fighters...I bet GSP has a healthy # of admirers :D
perfect MMA body? powerful and lean, yet still has crazy agility and flexibility.
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