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A thread on special forces (pg. 10)
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| Haunted |
| i dont think the fact that since people die in training its a good thing. i see it as ty leadership. spec ops are supposed to save lives, if the leaders don't even value the lives of the soldiers then they need a new job. |
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| Philby |
i love special forces stuff :)
when they first started training people for raids by boats in WW2 with the special boat squadron and when they tried to get commandos up and running it was really hard, there was a lot of opposition for small elite units doing specific operations. 'i say good show but thats not tradtional what' etc etc. the book 'special forces' by tom clancy is interesting, detailing things like the extra non-military training they do.
i don't think there is much point in arguing over who is better or whatever. some groups have more training in certain areas ie navy seals specialising in diving and demolitions and stuff and SAS having more anti terrorist roles with the IRA etc. its good that there are more books and stories available now, i think until the 1980s and when the SAS attacked the iranian embassy they were really a lot more secret. i love reading about combat hehe. to that guy who said the soldiers that cried were pussies, man you are a dick. it might be easy to sit here behind the screen and say that but when you fighting in another country with artillery shells exploding around you it might be a little different!
my favourite episodes of shows like stargate and jag were when they had special forces and stuff doing attacks, i love watching the soldiers running around with all the equipment and hand signals and stuff lol. id love to be in the special forces, as long as i didnt have to actually kill anybody :p |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
The Spetsnaz have a bit of a dodgy reputation in hostage taking situations when you look at what happened in Belsan and Dubrovka theatre sieges, even though they were up against some real hard odd's with the Chechens ringing up bombs or putting suicide bombers in with the hostages. |
Dodgy? It wasn't their decision to use the opiate. And you can't blame them for killing a lot of histages. That belongs to management who screwed up the planning. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Nuff said...
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
i don't think there is much point in arguing over who is better or whatever. some groups have more training in certain areas ie navy seals specialising in diving and demolitions and stuff and SAS having more anti terrorist roles with the IRA etc. its good that there are more books and stories available now, i think until the 1980s and when the SAS attacked the iranian embassy they were really a lot more secret. |
SAS operates in tons of different operations not just counter terrorism operations. It's organised into three different regiments the main being the 22nd, 21st and 23rd are more reserves each of these have speciality fields the 22nd obviously everyone has been trained in everything.
Further to the regiments their split into seperate five seperate squadrons each of them contain four troops of 16 men specialising in various fields. Air, Mobilty, Mountain and Boat most SAS members serve time in all the troops so their crossed trained.
The history of the unit's fantastic. No one knew it existed for 39 years, all the SAS guys out in North Africa WWII when they wrote home just said to their relatives that they worked in the office etc. There is a old good film called play dirty with Michael Caine about an SAS style unit in North Africa.
| quote: | | Dodgy? It wasn't their decision to use the opiate. And you can't blame them for killing a lot of histages. That belongs to management who screwed up the planning. |
Well the management shouldn't have had any say in the situation, they should of left it to the special forces to plan. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
id love to be in the special forces, as long as i didnt have to actually kill anybody :p |
Maybe they'll let you in as a hairdresser? |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
SAS operates in tons of different operations not just counter terrorism operations. It's organised into three different regiments the main being the 22nd, 21st and 23rd are more reserves each of these have speciality fields the 22nd obviously everyone has been trained in everything.
Further to the regiments their split into seperate five seperate squadrons each of them contain four troops of 16 men specialising in various fields. Air, Mobilty, Mountain and Boat most SAS members serve time in all the troops so their crossed trained.
The history of the unit's fantastic. No one knew it existed for 39 years, all the SAS guys out in North Africa WWII when they wrote home just said to their relatives that they worked in the office etc. There is a old good film called play dirty with Michael Caine about an SAS style unit in North Africa.
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i know, but i think they have more specific anti-terrorist training than navy seals or rangers etc, which is what i was saying. if not then oh well :D
i love reading about military history like the sas, some of the situations they can get in and the way they get out :eyes:
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Maybe they'll let you in as a hairdresser?
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hmm good idea, in combat i could be good in....hairy situations.... that is, if i......make the cut.....
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
hmm good idea, in combat i could be good in....hairy situations.... that is, if i......make the cut.....
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Boo.
Hiss.
besides it depends on how 'thick' the 'coverage' is... :p |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
i know, but i think they have more specific anti-terrorist training than navy seals or rangers etc, which is what i was saying. if not then oh well :D
i love reading about military history like the sas, some of the situations they can get in and the way they get out :eyes:
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Their definatly more highly trained in counter terrorism operations. But the navy seals are more comparable to the SBS (special boat service) who operate in more amphibious conditions. I wouldn't even put the Rangers in same league as the SAS, Seals etc. They're the eqivilant of the Parachute regiment I'd say.
The SAS has a brilliant history World War II in North Africa, France, Italy and Greece. The Malaya emergency, Oman, The Falklands, The Gulf, Afghanistan.
They've seen a lot of combat, their was documentary on ages ago when the Aden (Yeman) were fighting an isurgancy which was supposidly backed by the Egyptian army. Not in the state to be involved in a war. SAS officers, got their men to sign out of the army to operate as mercenaries so if they were captured the British Government wasn't involved they gave the SAS troopers guns, funds and diplomatic passes etc. When the fighting was done with they returned and signed back up to the SAS. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
SAS and Parachute Regiments.
My grandad was in the latter in WW II and until 1970s... |
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| Fir3start3r |
We have an ex-SAS guy that plays outdoor paintball with us during the summer.
When he's out there, he's a ghost.
Unless he's firing at you, you have NO idea where the hell he is...:nervous: |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Boo.
Hiss.
besides it depends on how 'thick' the 'coverage' is... :p |
:toothless |
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