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War Crimes Immunity: "What Are We Becoming?" (pg. 2)
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Well it passed. Accountability is out the door as well as the United States Constitution & dignity of a Nation. This is so going to come back and bite us in the ass. All hail His Majesty the All Powerful. |
Yet another sad day in this country. There's been a lot lately, though, so I'm passed the point of being phased. It used to be depressing when this sort of happened, but now it's so commonplace that, well....(takes large gulp of drink) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
I dont think Bush or Cheney started a war to kill innocent people. You cant possibly trial them like Miloshevic i.e. Whats to trial them for war crimes? What have they done? Kill al quida terrorist. Bush doesnt tell his generals to kill innocent people. CNN are a bunch of liberal scums that only want to make Bush sound and look as bad as they can make him. |
youre an idiot. torturing captured soldiers is a war crime :rolleyes: |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
torturing captured soldiers is a war crime :rolleyes: |
So just because a solider did this, it means that Bush will get punished for it? Did Bush tell him to tourture the captured soldier? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
So just because a solider did this, it means that Bush will get punished for it? Did Bush tell him to tourture the captured soldier? |
given the extraordinary amount of effort the administration has gone into investigating the rules and who/how/why/if they apply, then id say the answer to that question is a resounding yes. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
given the extraordinary amount of effort the administration has gone into investigating the rules and who/how/why/if they apply, then id say the answer to that question is a resounding yes. |
"Hope is the carrot you dangle in front of the donkey..."
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
"Hope is the carrot you dangle in front of the donkey..."
:) |
:haha: a fellow DL fan i see :D :D great quote that... |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
I'm curious, however, whether the US system allows for thís amendment to be overruled, if decent senators get into power later on? That is, if the US suddenly became the beacon of freedom and justice it wants to be, could the system allow for prosecution of Bush and his cohorts eventually? |
No, I do not think that is possible. That would go under an ex post facto law which is prohibited. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
This is serious , and in all likelihood will get the ax by SCOTUS in the future. This part really is frightening:
| quote: | | The legislation broadens the definition of enemy combatants beyond the traditional definition used in wartime, to include noncitizens living legally in this country as well as those in foreign countries, and also anyone determined to be an enemy combatant under criteria defined by the president or secretary of defense. |
Exactly how is that going to be defined?
By whatever the Bush says it is. Or perhaps more specifically, whatever Mike Addington and John Yoo defines it as, which they pretty much give all subjective and arbitrary definition to the discretion of the Executive.
And let's get something straight - there was no ing compromise by McCain and crew. McCain caved in huge as he saw the Conservative base he is attempting to court begin to get their panties in a bunch by his actions. Bush got pretty much exactly what he always wanted - Executive discretion to define laws enacted.
How exactly does that differentiate from what a King says and does really? I may be a little punchy with midterms right now, but last I checked even Congress cannot enact such Executive discretion to the point of where the Executive becomes the very definition of the Judiciary, can it? Isn't it the Judiciary that ultimately interprets such laws?
Jesus, I never thought I would have a ed up President given legal right to torture people and define who is a "terrorist". This is really a sad day for America. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
No, I do not think that is possible. That would go under an ex post facto law which is prohibited. |
Not sure, considering they created the law ex post facto. |
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| Q5echo |
to all you drama queens, context matters.
what has happened here was that context was put to a vote, and context, not ambiguity won. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
considering they created the law ex post facto. |
they had to. considering the SCOTUS struck down part of the Detainee Treatment Act after the fact. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| I'm being absolutely serious here, don't people even give a about what's happening to America now :( ? Is this what we have reduced ourselves too? |
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