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North Korea did Nuclear tests 10.8.06 (pg. 2)
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| Moongoose |
| Iran would be scarir yes but i still thin that there isnt much to wory about. Whatever you might thing of north koreans they arent that supid, they know that if they lunch a nuke first, without provocation the whole damn country is going to get leveled and not just by the US but probably by every other country including those that dont even like america. Petty political disagreements dont really matter when a nuce goes of. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Iran would be scarir yes but i still thin that there isnt much to wory about. Whatever you might thing of north koreans they arent that supid, they know that if they lunch a nuke first, without provocation the whole damn country is going to get leveled and not just by the US but probably by every other country including those that dont even like america. Petty political disagreements dont really matter when a nuce goes of. |
same goes for every country that has nukes. I'm sure even Kim knows the consequences of such action. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Love those Bushy coinkidinks, don't you?
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Tell me about it...
And the ed up part is that if he wasn't so god damned stupid we might not have ever realized how ed up and out of control our government really is. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
Time for negotiations is now over. Kim Jong IL should be disposed of. NK is more of a threat than Iraq ever was, and action should be taken to remove it's leadership.
Shouldn't be that hard with the military hardware available. |
Why?
Why can't they have nuclear weapons?
I can think of much, much more dangerous countries with much more wicked leaders who, if "disposed of", would make a much more profound positive impact on the planet.
If a mushroom cloud ever blows over this country, I would be very suspicious if it hit anywhere but Washington DC...
We're not going to do anything about this, and I hope that it doesn't create a scapegoat that will enable the completion of the lockdown of America. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Why?
Why can't they have nuclear weapons?
I can think of much, much more dangerous countries with much more wicked leaders who, if "disposed of", would make a much more profound positive impact on the planet.
We're not going to do anything about this, and I hope that it doesn't create a scapegoat that will enable the completion of the lockdown of America. |
+899,878,759,273,989,483
You talk so much sense, I can't even begin to tell you at how impressed I am with the fact that an American can think outside the box for once. Thank you!
Can you come into the c0re and back me up?! LOL! |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
If a mushroom cloud ever blows over this country, I would be very suspicious if it hit anywhere but Washington DC...
We're not going to do anything about this, and I hope that it doesn't create a scapegoat that will enable the completion of the lockdown of America. |
You're a nearsighted dumb-ass. Maybe some hint would be in order. Ok, here goes:
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The implications of Pyongyang's new nuclear prowess extend beyond Northeast Asia. Iran's ruling Mullahs are no doubt watching carefully, and may well be heartened by the relative lack of leverage the world seems to have to thwart the North's nuclear ambitions. As one former Defense Department official in Washington puts it, "If the world can't summon the will to apply crippling sanctions against an economic basket case like North Korea, what will it do when it comes to the world's third-largest oil exporter?"
If the answer is as it appears—not much—then Oct. 9 may well mark the crossing of a nuclear Rubicon of sorts. In Congressional testimony last year, Jon Brook Wolfsthal, deputy director for Nonproliferation at the Carnegie Endowment for Peace , said "History may well look back at our failed efforts with North Korea as the turning point when the nuclear dam burst and nuclear weapons became widespread and commonplace in the arsenals of scores of countries." Beyond the many voices raised in opposition to the North's test, the world now waits to see whether anyone will actually do anything about it—or whether Wolfsthal's grim prognosis is, in fact, the future.
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I fail to see how pointing out the U.S. administration is going to make any of us sleep any tighter tonight.
I know you like beating the anti-Bush drum but stop the banging for a second and take a look at the over-all picture; it affects us all and not in a good way...
This is scary as hell and I can only image everyone's intelligence agencies are groaning in unison after this news.... |
I apologize if pointing out the rationale as to why we got here makes one uncomfortable, nevertheless I think it's rather important.
I find your sentiments somewhat akin to folks like myself pointing out how ignorant this Administration was to all the counterevidence against its claims to Iraq's WMD capabilities and stockpiles, only to say, "Hey, that doesn't matter now, it's all in the past and we need to worry about our problems today." Perhaps a perspective on those "diplomats" (i.e. dip dip cowboys who have no diplomatic skills whatsoever) is needed so us ignorant citizens can understand a bit better as to whom we voted into power and why we're collectively going off a ing cliff. While I agree that worrying about the "what now" easily supercedes the "how the did we get here?", I believe such problems cannot be forgotten.
Disclaimer: This doesn't excuse Clinton's mistakes either. He was being misled into thinking N. Korea was being honest with their treaty. But when such an opportunity presents itself like it did in 2005 and our country, the bastion of democracy, liberty, truth and justice turns around and collectively s N. Korea in the ass the way they did, I think that puts a bit of a different perspective on things. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I apologize if pointing out the rationale as to why we got here makes one uncomfortable, nevertheless I think it's rather important.
I find your sentiments somewhat akin to folks like myself pointing out how ignorant this Administration was to all the counterevidence against its claims to Iraq's WMD capabilities and stockpiles, only to say, "Hey, that doesn't matter now, it's all in the past and we need to worry about our problems today." Perhaps a perspective on those "diplomats" (i.e. dip dip cowboys who have no diplomatic skills whatsoever) is needed so us ignorant citizens can understand a bit better as to whom we voted into power and why we're collectively going off a ing cliff. While I agree that worrying about the "what now" easily supercedes the "how the did we get here?", I believe such problems cannot be forgotten.
Disclaimer: This doesn't excuse Clinton's mistakes either. He was being misled into thinking N. Korea was being honest with their treaty. But when such an opportunity presents itself like it did in 2005 and our country, the bastion of democracy, liberty, truth and justice turns around and collectively s N. Korea in the ass the way they did, I think that puts a bit of a different perspective on things. |
True, your foreign policy is now etched in stone as to what it failed to do; NK's nuclear test now commemorates that.
However, I believe it was NK's shear determination more so than anyone's lack of leadership in dealing with them and their aspirations to join the Nuclear Club.
The U.S. lack of fortitude in this matter isn't alone in the blame; the U.N. Security counsel and NK's neighbors are also showing their ineptness in dealing with Kim.
This fault is exasperated when we think of the state that NK is in overall when they can't even feed their own people AND with sanctions...
I guess the next step is to see how kookie Kim gets now that he just grew a couple of feet...:confused: |
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| Magnetonium |
The continuing American expansion and pressure around the world will only escalate the situation. The coountries without strategic weapons or lacking in defense against a possible American attack will continue looking for ways to defend themselves, either you like it or not. And after what happened to Iraq and Afghanistan, not a single dictator around the world who is in trouble with US can sleep comfortably now.
Last time I checked USA was the only country that actually used these terrible weapons, against innocent civilians too. So there you go.
And why does USA and others are continually allowed to develop and use weapons of mass destruction while these growing countries can't? Shouldn't we all be fair and just get rid of all weapons of mass destruction? Why is USA, Russia and other countries are so special and are allowed to keep and develop these deadly chemical and biological weapons? |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Yes, our Bush/Bolton tag-team negotiations really is a site to behold for the rest of the world. Why, everyone wants to be like us:
Love those Bushy coinkidinks, don't you?
Seems like the only way this Administration works when it comes to its intel abilities - post facto style. Invade Iraq to see if they have WMDs. Oops, don't have 'em, but at least we found out AFTER we invaded! Nutbag N. Korea tests nukes, and hey sure enough we NOW know they have 'em.
Terrific logic always on display by this Administration. |
god do read what you type? this ball got rolling over a decade ago.
you act like this happens in some American vacuum. i guess it helps your partisaned exclusive world view that cant see past the American Presidential elections of 2000. it must suck soooo bad!
China doesn't carry any of the blame do they?, i mean, if you want to incite blame. if that helps you sleep, then lets talk about Russia. lets talk about the regional players in this game because thats all Kim Jong Il really cares about. his influence over the region.
i haven't heard one voice of your party say anything about this. you have no answers either, so shut the hell up. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Last time I checked USA was the only country that actually used these terrible weapons, against innocent civilians too. So there you go.
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That's a pretty ignorant thing to say considering the circumstances in which they were used. :mad: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say considering the circumstances in which they were used. :mad: |
LOL, why? Did Japanese bomb San Francisco, Los Angeles?
Did Americans use dialogue and political compromise? No, they were chickens and instead of invading the Japanese tightly-populated islands where they were surely going to get hit hard, they decided to nuke the innocent civilians, ATTACKING MEGAPOLISES WITH NUCLEAR WARHEADS, KILLING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
Yeah, the circumstances of the use were OK (sarcasm). USA was in dead end and had no choice but to launch not JUST ONE, BUT TWO!!!! NUKES ... WASNT ONE ENOUGH!!!! AND THEY LAUNCHED THE SECOND NUKE WITHIN DAYS ... YEAH, SURE, yeah, its ok to kill another couple hundred thousand innocent civilians just to make a greater effect.
I bet if Soviets werent going to receive nuclear technology from communist spies in the Manhattan Project, the Americans would have dropped a nuke or two on Soviet Union and forced them to accept their terms too. Pretty reasonable conclusion from my part ... |
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