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North Korea & 1930s Germany
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THE North Korean regime's obsession with racial purity has led to the killing of disabled infants and forced abortions for women suspected of conceiving their babies by Chinese fathers, according to a growing body of testimony from defectors.
The latest description of Kim Jong-il's policy of state eugenics came from a North Korean doctor, Ri Kwang-chol, who escaped last year and told a forum in Seoul that babies with deformities were killed soon after birth.
"There are no people with physical defects in North Korea," Dr Ri said. Such babies were put to death by medical staff and buried quickly, he claimed. He denied ever committing the act himself.
Exiles in Seoul said Dr Ri was now keeping a low profile, fearing retaliation by North Korean agents, who have assassinated foes in the South Korean capital before. But his account added to the evidence that the Kim family dictatorship is founded on mystical notions of Korean racial superiority rather than Marxism - a reality that explains its deepening estrangement from China.
Along the 1370km border, North Korean women refugees have emerged with stories that speak of the regime's preoccupation with "deviant" sexual relations and its predisposition to violence in dealing with them.
One such account came from a 30-year-old woman who calls herself Han Myong-suk. She escaped twice and reached a safe haven in an undisclosed third country within the past year thanks to Helping Hands Korea, an American Christian group.
She said she was sold by traffickers to a Chinese farmer near the Great Wall, and was five months pregnant by him when she was caught by the Chinese police and deported back to North Korea. There she was held in one of three female detention centres, which have been identified in the towns of Sinuju, Onsong and Chongin.
Her account was taken down by Tim Peters, an American Christian activist who founded the group.
"I defied the order to abort the fetus the prison authorities contemptuously called a 'Chinese Chink' and was badly beaten and kicked in my belly by a guard. His name was Hwang Myong-dong," she said.
One week later, said Ms Han, she was led to a prison clinic "where in a most blunt manner they extracted the dead child from my body".
Ms Han survived the depraved conditions of a labour camp for several years before her release and eventual second escape. Her story represented important corroboration of a practice that was first detailed in a report in 2003 for the pressure group US Committee of Human Rights in North Korea that was compiled by David Hawk, a human rights investigator.
Mr Hawk found "extreme phenomena of repression ... unique to North Korea" and concluded that its regime practised "ethnic infanticide". He traced eight female witnesses who gave distressing accounts of child murder.
One took place at the women's detention centre in Sinuiju, a border zone visible across the Yalu River from the Chinese city of Dandong.
Choi Yong-hwa, 28, described how she was made to accompany a heavily pregnant woman, who had also been returned across the bridge from China, to a clinic where doctors induced labour.
After the infant was born, Ms Choi said she and other women stood by in disbelief as it was suffocated with a wet towel. The mother passed out.
A 66-year-old grandmother also testified to witnessing the deaths of babies at Sinuiju, two of them healthy boys born at full term. The first belonged to a 28-year-old woman called Lim.
The witness was holding the newborn in a blanket when a guard grabbed him by a leg and threw him into a large box lined with plastic.
A total of seven babies - five born prematurely after labour was induced - were left to die in the box. Two days later the premature babies were dead.
The two full-term boys were still blinking, although their lips had turned blue.
A guard battered them to death with forceps, the witness said. At the Nongpo centre in Chongjin, witnesses saw the "children of betrayers" tossed into a wicker basket, covered in plastic sheeting and left to die.
One woman watched the killing of seven babies, taken from their mothers and left face-down on the ground within their view. After two days the guards smothered any that were still alive. "Guards would say the mothers had to see and hear their babies die because they were Chinese," the report said.
The Korean Bar Association says that 58 per cent of defectors interviewed by its lawyers have testified to seeing or hearing of coerced abortions in the North Korean prison system.
The aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres left North Korea in 1998, citing among its reasons the regime's refusal to grant access to so-called "9-27 camps", where sick and disabled children were dumped. The apparent contradiction between the humanitarian group's statement and the recent claims by Dr Ri may be explained by the time that elapsed between them.
In the same period hardliners have come into the ascendant, throwing out almost all foreign aid workers, tightening up political controls and intensifying repression as the regime set out on its path of confrontation over its nuclear weapons program.
"It's vital to recognise that juche - the dogma of self-reliance - is not a theory but a cult and that Kim is worshipped as the leader of a religion," said a veteran Western diplomat who negotiated with the North Koreans on 19 visits.
"These Koreans genuinely believe they are a master race and that the peninsula will be united under the rule of the Kim dynasty."
Behind the facade of a Supreme People's Assembly, a presidium, a cabinet and the Korean Workers party, North Korea operates as a one-man military dictatorship founded on clan rule, blood ties and deification of the leader. Kim is falsely said to have been born on the sacred slopes of Mount Paektu.
This is used to legitimise behaviour by agents of the state which human rights activists believe will one day form the basis of indictments for crimes against humanity. Defectors have told of experiments to test Kim's chemical weapons, one giving an account of prisoners tethered to a hillside and gassed.
Unlike the child killings, though, this story has never been verified by more than one witness.
A study by three researchers at Seoul's Korean Rehabilitation Centre for Torture Victims surveyed the experience of 30 defectors among the 7400 people who have since found refuge in the south.
All had been subjected to torture, both physical and psychological, at the hands of Kim's military security agency. Again, one torture centre was identified at Sinuiju. More than half were punished merely for having Chinese currency and more than half said they experienced sexual violence.
They reported beatings, electrocution, submersion in water and the "doghouse torture" in which the victim is contorted into an unnatural and agonising posture.
"This study strongly suggests the need for international organisations such as the United Nations to put an end to the return of defectors from China," the researchers said. China has refused to allow the UN High Commissioner for Refugees any access to the border. |
news.com.au
its a shame we've wasted so much time, effort & life in iraq, coz these guys could use a regime change.
i hope theres a continuing estrangement from china. that could be our only hope to bring NK to its (political) knees. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
The title is a bit misleading since the aritcle only talks about North Korea, but I guess you're making an analogy to hitler, which is quite accurate.
I do agree that north korea needs a regime change because what they do in regards to racial cleansing is unacceptable or any form of it for that matter. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
The title is a bit misleading since the aritcle only talks about North Korea, but I guess you're making an analogy to hitler, which is quite accurate. |
How is it quite accurate?
Because everyone in the western world equates anything anti-their-worldview to be labeled as evil as Hitler? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
How is it quite accurate?
Because everyone in the western world equates anything anti-their-worldview to be labeled as evil as Hitler? |
Because it is accurate, not just because people in the west equate evil with Hitler. Everything described in that article was similar to the policies of the Nazis. Hitler believed in the supremacy of the Aryans, thus he purged everyone not Aryan. Why do you think the white supremacists use the swastika and other Nazi symbols? You hear mostly about the Jews and the Holocaust, but he also killed blacks, homosexuals, the handcapped (both physical and mental) and the Gypsies.
Also, in addition to the murders of those groups, he also had those deemed to have genetic defects, ranging from minor mental illnesses to alcoholism, sterilized. Basically, if you weren't a perfect German, capable of advancing the Aryan race, you weren't worth the the resources. It started years before the WWII, but got much worse as resources became more scarce.
He was completely insulted by Jesse Owens, the black US runner, who won multiple gold medals at the 1936 Olypmics held in Berlin that were supposed to demonstrate the supremacy of the Aryans according to Hitler. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
How is it quite accurate?
Because everyone in the western world equates anything anti-their-worldview to be labeled as evil as Hitler? |
It has nothing to do with that. Please read the article if you haven't done so already. The methods are extremely similar to Hitler's version of the ultimate race with the exception that Kim's more discrete about it. He's not going around invading other countries and constructing concentration camps. Nevertheless, he's still killing. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| The difference between NK and Nazi Germany was that Hitler was actually moving his country in a direction with stability and prosperity. NK isn't. |
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| Dj Alex (ISR) |
| you forgot Iran. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR)
you forgot Iran. |
you retard you probably didnt know that there are many jews living right INSIDE Iran right now.yes thats right retard Iran has many jews living all over the country and no they are not living in concentation camps. |
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| Dj Alex (ISR) |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you retard you probably didnt know that there are many jews living right INSIDE Iran right now.yes thats right retard Iran has many jews living all over the country and no they are not living in concentation camps. |
60 ppl. i checked it. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
It has nothing to do with that. Please read the article if you haven't done so already. The methods are extremely similar to Hitler's version of the ultimate race with the exception that Kim's more discrete about it. He's not going around invading other countries and constructing concentration camps. Nevertheless, he's still killing. |
You have no idea how it works over there.
First: NK is closed off. This one woman is giving you information that she received from the group that sold her to the chinese and from the prison camps she spent time in. Honestly, we don't know what the goes on in there, so while I can't rule out him using race to keep his people united, I think there would be easier ways for him.
Second: Korea is largely a bunch of layers of corrupt holligans. When I was in Tokyo, I would hear every other day on the news about NK pirates stealing goods and sometimes people from the Japanese mainland. PIRATES VS NINJAS!!
Third: You want to talk about racial supremecism? Guess what: they all do it to some extent in that part of the world, and here in America too. I lived in the South, I know from first hand experience.
Did you know that china is FIERCELY nationalistic, almost to the point of being considered "racial supremecists"?
Again, when I was in Tokyo, I remember that big story going around was that 20 japanese men had vacationed in China and had sex with Chinese women.
Who cares, right?
Wrong.
The Chinese wanted to throw them in jail; they HATED that non-chinese were having intercourse with pure blooded chinese girls. The international asian community was quite flustered.
Information is key.
I'm not standing up for this NK nutball; I'm standing against the building of bull, yet unfounded propaganda and hypocrisy. He's done enough odd things that we don't even need to become crazed sensationalists. |
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| tathi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Alex (ISR)
you forgot Iran. |
and you forgot Israel,
sorry, i just wanted to make a comment as stupidly non sequitur as yours :p |
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