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'Freedom Of Speech' does not exist (pg. 2)
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| Spacey Orange |
i agree, true unfettered freedom of speech is probably non-existent everywhere. all governments and communities seem to place restrictions on some forms of speech for a variety of reasons, some all ready mentioned. some of these restrictions on speech make sense, while others do not.
i beleive that the instances where speech is restricted should be limited to a few instances such as when violence is threatened, or intellectual property is concerned. outside of these, speech should not be restricted, even if this someones 'puritan sensibilities' are offended. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
even if this someones 'puritan sensibilities' are offended. |
Even if I call you a ing nigg**! Does that count? |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Even if I call you a ing nigg**! Does that count? |
if you just called me '******' and did or said nothing else, then yes, i'd ok it.
on the other hand, if you say '****** i'm going to lynch your ass tonight', then no. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| freedoms dont exist in some kind of vacuum. with rights come responsibilities. absolute free speech doesn't exist anywhere and nor should it. |
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| occrider |
| I've always believed that the US has held some of the strongest free speech protections than nearly any other country ... definitly over Europe. I've started many threads criticizing European speech restrictions. That said, the US does not allow completly "free" speech and you would be hard pressed to find any country that prevents speech above any and all considerations. Quite simply, your freedoms end where mine begin. If I'm making false claims that slander you and materialy hurt you, you can hold me libel. If I make physical threats against you to influence your behaviour I can be charged with extortion. If your offensive speech provokes "ridicule" or "bashing" on my part, but I'm not allowed to speak my opinions freely than how you are not restricting my rights to free speech? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
freedoms dont exist in some kind of vacuum. with rights come responsibilities. absolute free speech doesn't exist anywhere and nor should it. |
+1
Took the words out of my mouth.
It's no different than living in a free democracy.
You have the freedom and choice to do what you want but within limits, hence federal/provincial/state/county laws.
Otherwise it would be chaos... |
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| DJ Shibby |
| Can anyone present define what the word Freedom actually means? :eek: |
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| Fir3start3r |
Freedom is hard to define as a single concept since it encompasses many different aspects.
Start here and you'll see what I mean...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Freedom is hard to define as a single concept since it encompasses many different aspects.
Start here and you'll see what I mean...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom |
I'm glad you replied with this; I appreciate that you understand where I'm coming from.
Sometimes I feel like the word freedom itself is just a marketing tool used to foster nationalism.
Words are so easily manipulated over time... example:
Ministry of War -> Department of Defence.
Can anyone name a single country that does not tell its people that they have "Freedom"? |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
I'm glad you replied with this; I appreciate that you understand where I'm coming from.
Sometimes I feel like the word freedom itself is just a marketing tool used to foster nationalism.
Words are so easily manipulated over time... example:
Ministry of War -> Department of Defence.
Can anyone name a single country that does not tell its people that they have "Freedom"? |
I'm not sure what your point is. The limited ability of a single word to express the full intent and nuance of an idea is hardly a new or interesting observation. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I'm not sure what your point is. The limited ability of a single word to express the full intent and nuance of an idea is hardly a new or interesting observation. |
I'm not sure what your point is either. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
if you just called me '******' and did or said nothing else, then yes, i'd ok it.
on the other hand, if you say '****** i'm going to lynch your ass tonight', then no. |
In that case you should have the right to beat the out of him. |
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