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| paulandrews |
Ah, ok.
Examples of said neo-trance? |
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| paulandrews |
Nice. I would call it minimal or house, though. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by AirPole
Why should we characterize everything, and give everything a name. Most of the new Trance isn't even real Trance anymore, so what does it matter. |
I guess you're defining "real trance" as uplifting trance? The trance you heard in the late 90s?
Well that's all well and good but that's just a sub-genre. That type of trance was the best back then, but melodic trance is much better than it was before. Just because you don't consider it real trance, doesn't mean others don't. There's so many variations that it doesn't even matter. |
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| AirPole |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I guess you're defining "real trance" as uplifting trance? The trance you heard in the late 90s?
Well that's all well and good but that's just a sub-genre. That type
of trance was the best back then, but melodic trance is much better than it was before. Just because you don't consider it real trance, doesn't mean others don't. There's so many variations that it doesn't even matter. |
No, I don't solemnly mean uplifting/melodic Trance. The Trance from a few years back sounded more like Trance because it contained elements that define Trance so much.
Trance back then had more:
- Inventive, hypnotic, simple drum patterns,
- Effective yet simple intro riffs,
- Breakdowns which were actually useful in the way that it really helped build the track,
- More sound effects 'running' through the track,
- Basslines which were inventive, or synth-wise, good sounding enough that it didn't need 2 basslines on top of each other like nowadays,
- Better/original melodies, in the way that they also were simple, yet effective (like Klea - Tic Toc, no matter how much people consider this to be cheese) and often so repetitive or well composed that they could be described as 'hypnotical'. Some melodies in new tracks sound so randomly written to me, that I do NOT even consider them to be a melody. They're just a bunch of randomly chosen notes.
- Atmosphere in the track itself. Listen to Humate - Love Stimulation for example.
Furthermore, Trance back then sounded not so overly 'clean' and 'clinical'. Sure, the final mix-down of a track is important, but don't exaggerate it. For instance, sharp and heavy open hi-hats were normal back then. And the last thing: most of it nowadays is so uninspired, so unoriginal. There used to be tracks like High-Tech - Let There Be Light and The Trance Setters - The Saga Continues. Sure these tracks were not very uplifting, but damn where they effective. True dancefloor killers. Where are tunes like those nowadays? Almost all techy stuff nowadays is over exaggerated.
Ofcourse not everything nowadays is rubbish, but *IMO* Trance sounded more interesting back then. That's how *I* think about it. |
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| G-Con |
| I would call it minimal with uplifting melodies, not trance at all |
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| Zombie0915 |
muahahahha
the motherin saga continues!
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*flails
I <3 that tune omfg I die.
But honestly, even in the time when it was new there were people bitching that it was uninspired, boring, samey, formulaic, and inferior in comparison the the things that came before it.
It seems now the general consensus is that the sound is old, obsolete, from a previous generation, and your techy loving peoples who always want to be into the new future things are not wanting to get into things that are seen as old, so we get this "neo trance" which doesn't reallly seem that new, but is given this novelty image in an effort to get people interested in it.
So here's what we do, we take all our favortie sounds, and pawn them off as parts of this new school category so that people think its cool again :P, just like what people did with the "progressive" when trance ceased to be cool, assuming you even want those types of people to be interested in the sutff that you are into. |
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| PETRAN |
So, they call Rex the Dog "neo-trance"? This has nothing to do with trance be it old-or-new or whatever, these trackssound like a daft-punk record is broken or something...It's ok but nothing to do with trance.I like rex the dog because he has these 80s synth-pop influences that gives his tracks a certain retro-futiristic edge and a kind of strange emotional quality. Most of Kompakt stuff though its just non-sense,trashy bleepy and clicky house. Oh and stop calling this stuff "minimal" guys. If you want "minimal-house/techno" then you should go to this address:Betoni-net.
http://www.adapteri.com/betoni/ |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
I think its very difficult because you want to pigeonhole just one particular style of minimal record, but for sure there are elements of older style (1993-97) trance -- that from memory and mixes, you can hear for yourselves that it was darker, rawness, power and energy combined, without the need for over the top synths or uplifting melody.
Thats why i'd class the current trendy minimal sound as the one that is most similar to the older trance sound described above.
Its not that i think its all about swooshes and OTT melodies Rank 1 Airwave style :rolleyes: |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | | Thats why i'd class the current trendy minimal sound as the one that is most similar to the older trance sound described above. |
Have to disagree. The current "minimal" sound (which has nothing to do with Basic Channel's and Tejada's minimal, don't know why they called it minimal) has absolutely nothing to do with early dance 2 trance, cosmic baby, resistance d,Jam & Spoon, oliver lieb etc. Trance back then was intense techno with usually lush ambient chords and sequenced arpeggiations (which then evolved into the melodic lead-line which has dominated trance from around 1993-onwards.).Melody has always played the key-role in trance and this is what always distinquished it from other forms of EDM such as as techno and house. Today's so called "minimal" is just uninspired bleepy housey non-sense and IMO reflects the overall bad plastic qualities of today's struggling EDM scene. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| I love Lamp!....and sometimes more Cowbell |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Have to disagree. The current "minimal" sound (which has nothing to do with Basic Channel's and Tejada's minimal, don't know why they called it minimal) has absolutely nothing to do with early dance 2 trance, cosmic baby, resistance d,Jam & Spoon, oliver lieb etc. Trance back then was intense techno with usually lush ambient chords and sequenced arpeggiations (which then evolved into the melodic lead-line which has dominated trance from around 1993-onwards.).Melody has always played the key-role in trance and this is what always distinquished it from other forms of EDM such as as techno and house. Today's so called "minimal" is just uninspired bleepy housey non-sense and IMO reflects the overall bad plastic qualities of today's struggling EDM scene. |
acquire the sven vath set from mystery land and we'll continue this conversation
look through the bleeps... and find old-trance melody and energy interlaced with something akin to a modern day trance/tech hybrid that out of todays various genres and sounds bares the most semblance to something of old-trance.
Did i actually explain my point enough this time, so you could actually grasp the concept of this discussion? I think sykonee (thread starter) is the only person here who'd understand above paragraph, without getting anal over the use of the word 'minimal'...
I'm in no way talking about e like Erotic Discourse. Should you look further than the cheese, minimal has a lot to offer. |
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