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Saddam Hussein sentenced to death by hanging. (pg. 3)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Go USA? :rolleyes:
How about Go Iraq!! :D
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yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa mission accomplished!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
but what evidence, if any, do you have that US influence is prevalent in the iraqi judicial system? what gains, if any, would the administration see in a delay of verdict? are there any compelling reasons to suggest anyone other than iraqis have their thumb in the trial pie? i just cant imagine the judges getting a memo from the white house and deciding to postpone anything. |
Here's a few things to consider:
| quote: | Though the SICT is a creation of the Iraqi government, it is heavily influenced -- legally and financially -- by the U.S. government. An October 16, 2005, Human Rights Watch report found that the U.S. Embassy's Regime Crimes Liaison Office "played the lead role in many aspects of the operations of the SICT, including: the building of the courtroom, the conduct of exhumations, interviews with 'High Value Detainees', review of seized documents and preparation of an evidence database, and training of SICT staff."
The Washington Post reported on January 25:
| quote: | The United States has made the prosecution of Hussein -- accused of presiding over the killings of hundreds of thousands of Shiites and Kurds -- one of its priorities since U.S. troops invaded Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration spent hundreds of millions of dollars of a $18.4 billion reconstruction package for Iraq to exhume mass graves and gather forensic evidence. It refurbished courthouses, trained Iraqi judges and provided most of the security for the courts. Americans drafted many of the statutes under which Hussein and his associates are being tried.
Though the United States is a strong opponent of the International Criminal Court, the administration's critics say it should have ensured adequate credibility and help for the Iraqi tribunal by making it international or, at a minimum, moving the trial out of Baghdad.
International qualms about the legality of the proceeding, and about the death sentence that Hussein could face if convicted, have left the United States virtually alone in shepherding his prosecution by the Iraqi government. A U.S. official in Baghdad confirmed last weekend that only the United States and Britain had contributed experts to advise the court on how to prosecute governments for war crimes and other such matters.
The official did not say how many British advisers were taking part; Britain, like other countries, has expressed reluctance to help in the case because it is a capital one.
The U.S. Embassy and the U.S. Regime Crimes Liaison Office run much of the day-to-day arrangements for the trial. Plainclothes security workers, many of them Americans, and Iraqi soldiers guard the turreted, fortress-like former Baath Party headquarters in the American-held Green Zone where the trial is playing out.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...6012400299.html |
The New York Times reported on May 21 that "American influence" on the SICT "has been undeniably pervasive, with about 90 percent of the $145 million in annual costs for the court and associated investigations paid for by the United States Justice Department, and lawyers sent by Washington acting as advisers."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610260010 |
Incriminating? Ehh, not terribly. I think I have to temper my sentiments a bit more on this one the more I think about it. Not a tono of evidence to conclude anything. Sure I wouldn't be surprised as most folks probably wouldn't be either, and the fact that their rationales had fluctuated a bit as to the reason for the delay is strange, but I have to concede that's nothing concrete to go on.
So I'll back my conspiratorial thought down to a questionable "hmmmm...." level. Fair enough? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbital32
Could you be more specific on your experiences to the topic at hand? |
| quote: | I know this is going to sound very dumb, but i really can't. All i can say is i at a position where i can literally see the truth get distored. Just 2 weeks ago, a main news site published an article... I could not gave gotten more madder then anything. The journalist asked a person about something. The person stated that he really was not aware about what goes on and he was the wrong person to ask, follwed by (and it was the person stupid mistake for saying this) "I think..."
The journalist then STATES HIS QUOTE AS A ING FACT! I'm sorry, but i cannot give detailed examples, only can really say that i do know more about these topics then most people here.
Honestly i have to force myself to disregard politics. Its somebody else's job to worry about that. There are many solider currently serving that not for the war. There are many veterans who served who are not for the war. There are MANY people that i know that i know that are not for the war.
There are VERY few people who hate the troops there. Regardless of the opinion out there about the war, most agree that a full withdrawl is a very bad idea right now. That's just a fact. |
Well you had me up to the last statement, to which I must respectfully disagree:
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
By your statement of "full withdrawal", I don't know if you mean a complete pullout and send all troops back home, or a redeployment plan to say the borders, Kuwait, or elsewhere temporarily to which a number of plans by both Republicans and Democrats have been created parallelling this approach. Regardless, the polls are showing even a full withdrawal to get us the hell out completely is either tied or ahead of staying the current course. Having a timetable set has a clear majority of the public opinion, which I advocate myself as do many politicians on both sides of the aisle (including a growing number of Republicans).
If, however, you are referring to the military, I don't have that info. available so I cannot comment on that sentiment. If you have any polls supporting the opinion of the troops, I'd like to know out of curiousity. I would suspect the majority would like to remain and finish their mission (whatever that broad definition of the generalized "mission" may hold), but I don't know for certain. |
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| erdega |
| If Saddam gets hanging for 160 killings what about Bush and Blair whose war claims as many victims daily and what about Lies, Torture, Humiliation, Rapes? Who will be held acountable ? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
So I'll back my conspiratorial thought down to a questionable "hmmmm...." level. Fair enough? |
yeah, im with you there. |
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| erdega |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
but what evidence, if any, do you have that US influence is prevalent in the iraqi judicial system? what gains, if any, would the administration see in a delay of verdict? are there any compelling reasons to suggest anyone other than iraqis have their thumb in the trial pie? i just cant imagine the judges getting a memo from the white house and deciding to postpone anything. |
Problem is that he is only accused of an isolated incident long ago and specifically against Shia and Kurds and not sunnis because Saddam for one did not discriminate among his enemies. This is meant to inflame ethnic tensions and further bloodshed |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by erdega
Problem is that he is only accused of an isolated incident long ago and specifically against Shia and Kurds and not sunnis because Saddam for one did not discriminate among his enemies. This is meant to inflame ethnic tensions and further bloodshed |
dude, thats like an A-B conversation...you being the letter H.
anyway, your moral relativism went from "why not Bush and Blair" to "hey it was long ago and only these certain people but the Kurds deserved it".
right we get it. you hate Anglo Western war mongerers. the Arab ones are ok but you really hate the white ones. we got it. ok. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
dude, thats like an A-B conversation...so C your way out of it. |
You botched the joke Mr. Kerry. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
...so c your way out of it. |
oh sorry joke police:rolleyes:
shut up and take your own advice stupid. |
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| LiquidX |
| the violence and insurgency that might arise from this announcement could be bigger then Saddam's sentencing itself. They are still to counter attack that I believe I read. Anyways.. this story and reaction in Iraq could definetly backfire.. |
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| star-traveller |
| Could anybody tell me, why G.W.Bush doesn't deserve the same faith as Sadam ? He is directly/indirectly responsible for deaths of way too bigger amount of people in Iraq, around 600k ? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
right we get it. you hate Anglo Western war mongerers. the Arab ones are ok but you really hate the white ones. we got it. ok. |
Is it that clear?? I thought I was the only one that saw that in Mr. Zimbaabaway's Posts. ;)
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Kill Whitey!!! ha ha ha |
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