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Vangelis (pg. 2)
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| SMC |
I'm familiar with most of Vangelis' stuff, great post however. I hold Blade Runner as his best work, maybe because i love the movie and listening to the score kinda makes me experience the movie and it's atmosphere through sound alone. But it's also great in other contexts. Once i listened to the album on a bus trip home, six in the morning, sunrise, beautiful weather, i was really tired (i was going home to sleep), and the music was so beautiful alongside those visual inputs. My point is that the atmosphere and the visuals in that scenario of mine differed quite a lot from the dark cyberpunk milieu of Blade Runner, so the beauty of the score extends far beyond it's connection to the movie.
When i finally got off the bus i had a five minute walk home, fresh air + sunlight + Memories Of Green = magic. Memoeries Of Green existed prior to the Blade Runner score, i think. Gorgeous tune however. |
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| Arraias |
| other day i listen a track by Vangelis and was very similar to the sound that plays in the last fight of matrix revolutions ... and in the end on the movie credits i think not sure. anyway Vangelis the tracks that i listened i liked ... quality stuff. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
"First Approach"
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YES!!!! Finally someone mentions this gem! This was on the very first CD I bought for my very first CD player and I instantly fell in love with it. I rarely come by any music with so much emotions in just one track. god its so good.
alot of good Vangelis releases have already been mentioned but I would take the oportunity to say that the score for Alexander is superb. Yeah the movie is lame but the music is the reason to see the movie. Too sad some of the best pieces never made it to the official soundtrack. For instance, the part where the old Ptolemy is talking in Alexandria (the beginning for instance) and that mellow tune is playing in the background, that wonderful piece didn't make it to the OST :((((((( |
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| Zoso |
Vangelis is by far one of my all time favorite composers/producers. I was fortunate enough to grow up with "good music," as I simply like to call it. Dad had a billiard table, so all the uncles would come by to shoot pool and drink beer. So, I grew up with stuff like Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Outlaws, The Eagles, etc., and,yes, Vangelis all on vinyl. Now, here I am many years later buying vinyl so I can mix at home. I've come full circle.
Truth told, I am largely unfamiliar with the bulk of his work. I own the Chariots of Fire and Bladerunner soundtracks, so you can see that I have a lot of catchup listening to do! Thanks for reminding me. |
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| PETRAN |
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Originally posted by RebeL9
YES!!!! Finally someone mentions this gem! This was on the very first CD I bought for my very first CD player and I instantly fell in love with it. I rarely come by any music with so much emotions in just one track. god its so good. |
Yeaa, "Direct" is a stunning album isn't it?I think it's very underrated though...it was such a good and varied album...and i think it was one of the the first albums that featured this native american pipe(is it native american?)in the tune "will of the wind".This sound was very popular with Enigma i reckon!Furthermore, the type of violin that was used in "First Approach"(yes it's trully beautifull)was extensively featured in Sacred Spirit's first album!This guy was trully influential...
Here is the video of the electronic hit "The Dragon"(another tune that sounds like todays trance e?) which was taken from the end of 70s "China" album...His studio is crazy with all these analogue synths and the strange electronic drums and samplers!:crazy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpAX...related&search=
Here is another cool video which shows Vangelis on improvissation.As you can see for yourself, the man is a genious in composing beautifull emotional melodies on the go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_jsMPiTaqE
And another one with Vangelis messing around with his synthesizers again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tksji4XyLP0
These videos are so inspirational...it's a shame that most of todays electronic music is plastically created in strict predetermined steps, in programs such as fl-studio, reason and cu-base sx.I believe that this luck of rapid direct instanteneous interaction between musician and instrument, leads to these stereo-typed linear boring-to-death electronic-tracks-by-numbers that we get in most of todays Electronic productions (be it trance, techno,minimal,electro,IDM or whatever).
Unfortunately there is a big absence of professionalism and talent in todays electronic, and IMO, the reason that this occurs can be found in the very indirect nature of these "free" software studios...let's hope that one day electronic producers will be more soulfull "instrument-players" rather then nerdy "preset-programmers". |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
These videos are so inspirational...it's a shame that most of todays electronic music is plastically created in strict predetermined steps, in programs such as fl-studio, reason and cu-base sx.I believe that this luck of rapid direct instanteneous interaction between musician and instrument, leads to these stereo-typed linear boring-to-death electronic-tracks-by-numbers that we get in most of todays Electronic productions (be it trance, techno,minimal,electro,IDM or whatever).
Unfortunately there is a big absence of professionalism and talent in todays electronic, and IMO, the reason that this occurs can be found in the very indirect nature of these "free" software studios...let's hope that one day electronic producers will be more soulfull "instrument-players" rather then nerdy "preset-programmers". |
That's a lot of bull. Please let me know about all these great edm-producers that have thrown the sequencer out of the studio. And like Vangelis doesn't use sequencers. Sure there is a lot of boring and predictable electronic stuff but that's because the creators are lazy or simply untalented, and for the same reason there is a lot of boring and predictable rock music, recorded with traditional instruments. The software is not the reason why some persons are not innovative, on the contrary it's an enhancer of the creative input provided by talented producers.
And wtf is "free" software studios, where do they give away these? |
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| Simcut |
Vangelis was one of the reasons how I got into dance music....my dad used to listen to his stuff on a cassette, I even remember the cover to it...(strange how you remember things....) it had a baby swimming in water on the cover, or was it a dolphin or something else? distinctively remember a cover with sea on it and some red background too....
But yeah, my dad used to listen to it all the time when I was young (mid to late 80's) :)
Vangelis rocks.... I wait for some clueless knobhead to come along and say Vangelis sucked etc etc etc or ask who Vangelis was :P |
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| PETRAN |
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Originally posted by SMC
That's a lot of bull. Please let me know about all these great edm-producers that have thrown the sequencer out of the studio. And like Vangelis doesn't use sequencers. Sure there is a lot of boring and predictable electronic stuff but that's because the creators are lazy or simply untalented, and for the same reason there is a lot of boring and predictable rock music, recorded with traditional instruments. The software is not the reason why some persons are not innovative, on the contrary it's an enhancer of the creative input provided by talented producers. |
Hey chill-out i didn't mean to make you enraged or something. That's my opinion anyway. I always wanted to elaborate in the current subject though and unfortunately i'll do it now, ruining this beautifull Vangelis thread.
You thing that the "medium" doesn't make a difference, but it does in MAJOR ways i reckon.Yes, i agree with you that the first and major factor in music creation is talent, there is no doubt about that. BUT, depending in what you use, this "talent" tends to be expressed in different ways. It's nice to thing that "its what you have in mind rather then, what you use in order to express what you have in mind" but this is NOT the case.
First of all, the "instance" factor is completely butchered in these so-called software studios. Take a look at vangelis and what he does, he disorts effects as the the whole think progress, he gets a different sound depending on how much strength he puts in pressing the keys(expression-a think that doesn't exist in most of EDM), he spontaneously creates and dynamically plays in real time with the sound. On the other side, by using a program like...let's Reason for example, the process is so linear, that it doesn't leave any free space for this "spontaneous" factor. You come-up with a melody in your MIDI-controller fine...from that point the process its rediculous from a creative aspect. Move the cursor to various knobs play with them, then move to some other buttons, press them, and then there is so much cutting and pasting going-on...due to the ergonomic reasons (a limited monitor with EVERYTHING featured in there)the whole think it's focused on the processing levels of production rather then the music itself!
Furthermore, i think that this "limited-vieing-capacity" of the software studio limits the talents of people who can be extremely good in melody creation but who are not exactly studio wizards. You come-up with a few melodies, and by the time you need in order to process the first one, you have completely forgotten the second. This is quite naturall, especially considering the limitations of human working memory in relation to the limitations of the "software-studio" itself. In contrast, in a real 3D arranged hardware studio,you get these working memory limitations,BUT, the person in much more free to keep track of what is going on by dynamicaly interacting with his machines in the surrounding environment. In addition, a less skilled person (a good musician who is not an engineer) can be assisted by the help of a real studio producer. It's very hard to find these ones in software studios!
A problem with the software studios therefore is that any artist must divide his cognitive functions in both music composition and production. Those two areas need a lot of skill to be perfected and it's very difficult to be both a musician and an engineer. Even if that's the case you could never get perfect in both. This think could give a "mediocre" factor in the production itself.
Finally, these software-studios are becoming so much plastic with the time. Everything you get is presets, standard samples and buttons to automatically create arpeggios. This sounds good in a way, because one would think that it could "free" the producer from boring studio-work, but in the end it could terribly affect the craftsmanship itself.the musician could be more automatised with the time, relying more on "ready-made" melodies. You could think that such producers are lame and that they would be unprofessional and rare. I believe not!A perfect example is a recent thread were one producer accused another professional producer for stealing his melodies. The professional producer defended himself by saying that "we went for some random notes in a preset and we arped them , so it couldn't be stealing because the whole process was random". (and that was a very famous epic trance producer). You could say that it's down to the person and i would say that with so much automatic-functions going-on you can't stop the person of getting automatised himself/herself!
people think that human govern their machines. It's wrong! People ADJUST to their machines. Its a two way process. Producers create music within the limitations of their talent and medium used.You create with what you have.You don't create from zero.When you have a guitar in your hands, being free to move your one hand up and down, you can seriously elaborate in the melody, you can instanteneously spit-out notes, you can strike the chord in various ways and make the sound different in real time. You don't don't get this expression and elaboration in software studios. It may be my ignorance but i don't think that changing the way that you will strike a key in the MIDI will make a difference in sound. There is boring knob-twinkling going-on after that(and i'm quite afraid that less producers use MIDI controllers and just rely on the piano-rolls and their mouse for the creation of melody. This would be really bad!!!!)
I think most of EDM lacks expression, and the reason is due to this plastic processing medium itself.You can certify what i'm saying by comparing older to newer electronic productions. the older you get the more raw and expressional music you had (trance by Resistance-D compared to trance by Markus Schulz or to generallise, everything that The big trance djs play today). I may sound like a nostalgic guy but this is the case...
p.s. I doubt that most of todays producers have real hardware sequencers!
| quote: | | And wtf is "free" software studios, where do they give away these? |
Anywhere in DC++ for example.Any peer-to-peer web-site. free cracked downloads. You get the picture?
I know it's a big post and could get anyone quite tired, but i always see these "software vs. hardware fights" and i thought that it would be good to have a go. Now i know that i ruined this beautifull Vangelis thread. I'm sorry. |
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| SMC |
| Yeah, you for ruining this thread. :stongue: No, just kidding. I don't have time to reply atm, i'll edit this post later, or post a new one. All i can say right now is i think you seem to lack some insight. |
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| RapidFire |
| Rachel's Song has to be one of the most beautiful peices of music ever composed. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
Rachel's Song has to be one of the most beautiful peices of music ever composed. |
yes i remember this one.. alot of remakes for this
famous one fridge's paradise
Ill have to look into vangelis a bit more, i really enjoyed his bladerunner soundtrack.
edit: i dont want to ruin this thread with a moroder upbringing, but just wanted to mention that he was doing similar things during this time :D |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
edit: i dont want to ruin this thread with a moroder upbringing, but just wanted to mention that he was doing similar things during this time :D |
not as funky though :clown: |
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