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And who said Goa Trance was dead??? (pg. 3)
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
Probably not. :( |
That's what we're talking about when we say goa is dead/not common. |
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| PETRAN |
| Oh man the hell with these goa/psy distinctions!!!Goa AND psychedelic trance IS THE SAME u freaks!!!Lol sorry for the explosion...:gsmile: |
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| Absolut_Vodka |
| wow, there is a distinct difference between what we now call psy and goa. Since psy trance has evolved so much, the definition of what is psy and goa has also changed. Maybe in the earlier times did they have the same meaning and refer to almost the same type of music, but what people now refer to as goa music has almost died out. Only a handful of people that im aware of actually still produce what the majority would consider goa. |
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| PETRAN |
Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres? And please... don't say that these goa artists (and hence NOT psy as these two genres are considerably diferent as some of you imply...) are transwave, juno reactor and total eclipse...Because he/she would be totally ignorant!
Yes, i'm almost sure that no-one will do it...You have to accept it people. Calling trance "goa" or "psy" is as different as calling trance "epic" or "uplifting".Even the genre-defying maniac that ishkur is tried that in his "guide", by first stating the classic theory that "psy" was more "synthetic", and relyed on electronic,cold sounds whereas "goa" was more organic, and that it usually demonstarted more warmth and eastern-type melodies. Unfortunately, in the next sentence he admited that this is not the case and stated that: "ok, there is no difference but there is to much good stuff to fit in one genre!"
Obviously, you can't compare stuff from different periods, and use their sounding differences as clear-cut evidence that they belong in seperate genres!It is the genre's evolution in time,rather then the "two-different-genres" hypothesis that contributes to the differences. |
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| julien2 |
Absolut vodka is right
and this guy is right:
| quote: | well seems like people taking the "dead" too literally.
whenever there is a thread about a genre being "dead" some people counter with "it's not! i heard someone play --- somewhere at some point!"
just because goa is played at a few places doesn't mean it's "alive" but it doesn't mean it's "dead" either.
i think when you read "dead" you should read "not common anymore" because that's what goa is compared to other genres of trance music... |
1- Goa and psy-trance are not the same genre. What most people refer to now as goa is actually psy, and most people dont know the difference between psytrance and full-on psytrance, WHICH IS THE MAIN GENRE PLAYED NOW.
2- When refering to a musical genre, the expression dead means its not evolving anymore.
And being a former goa/psy-head myself, I can definitely say it is dead.
Sure, like someone said, you can go out and listen to goa (he means full-on) every week but that doesnt mean its alive.
SO YES. GOA-TRANCE IS DEAD.
And I can actually say that I consider psy/goa/full-on to be dead too
HOWEVER, being dead doesnt necessarily mean you're not good.
I will definitely listen to some goa/psy/full-on tracks sometimes
It is not the same as epic/dutch trance, which is dead, AND very very bad AND a threat to humanity. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres? And please... don't say that these goa artists (and hence NOT psy as these two genres are considerably diferent as some of you imply...) are transwave, juno reactor and total eclipse...Because he/she would be totally ignorant!
Yes, i'm almost sure that no-one will do it...You have to accept it people. Calling trance "goa" or "psy" is as different as calling trance "epic" or "uplifting".Even the genre-defying maniac that ishkur is tried that in his "guide", by first stating the classic theory that "psy" was more "synthetic", and relyed on electronic,cold sounds whereas "goa" was more organic, and that it usually demonstarted more warmth and eastern-type melodies. Unfortunately, in the next sentence he admited that this is not the case and stated that: "ok, there is no difference but there is to much good stuff to fit in one genre!"
Obviously, you can't compare stuff from different periods, and use their sounding differences as clear-cut evidence that they belong in seperate genres!It is the genre's evolution in time,rather then the "two-different-genres" hypothesis that contributes to the differences. |
You talk too much. Any sane person who listens to tracks such as Man With No Name - Teleport, Cydonia - Animals, Pleiadians - Asterope, MFG - New Kind Of World, and compares it to random new psytrance will get it. |
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| PETRAN |
Oh right so MFG,Pleiadians and Man with no name are goa trance and not psy?!?...:rolleyes:
I remember when "The Prophecy" by MFG first went out and everyone, the press, the media,the people, the compilations which contained songs, were refering to them as "Psy-Trance".(ok they were some "goa" compilations that feature their songs, but that's no problem since...they are the.... same!)We were all wrong back then right? All these were goa not psy!Psy was some other(???) artist back then.And you compare modern stuff with stuff from the 90s saying that they belong to different genres?...:rolleyes:
I may talk to much BUT you talk to little... |
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| RebeL9 |
I can't recall that anyone called Astral Projection and MFG psychedelic trance. Everyone called it goa trance back then. Every damn cover of those compilation had indian gods with the word "Distance to goa, Destination Goa, Back to goa...:" etc.
Back then people called the stuff Hallucinogen produced psychedelic trance. It was more twisted and not so melodic such as the stuff from israel. |
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| Absolut_Vodka |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ok, so can someone CLEARLY state what are the differences between psy and goa (sounds,drum-patterns,melodies) and refer to the basic artists who are representative of these two genres? |
here's a post a made in a different thread
| quote: | Originally posted by Absolut_Vodka
When people speak of goa, they are referring to music of mostly this style
Astral Projection - Kabalah [SAMPLE]
Power Source - Goaway [SAMPLE]
Goasia - Hypernova[SAMPLE]
Filteria - Domestic Modulator[SAMPLE]
and heres some psy, but even thats been sub-divided into full-on, progressive, morning, dark, russian, israeli...it would take an essay to explain the difference between them basically
Cosma - Nonstop [SAMPLE]
Hujaboy - In The Village[SAMPLE]
Slum - Why You Have My Beer? No Problem[SAMPLE]
Audialize - Full on Chaos Magic[SAMPLE]
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| Dj_Skez |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
You talk too much. Any sane person who listens to tracks such as Man With No Name - Teleport, Cydonia - Animals, Pleiadians - Asterope, MFG - New Kind Of World, and compares it to random new psytrance will get it. |
Great point, some of you TAs really need to relax with the very long posts. Do you get some satisfaction arguing all day on a forum, just get your point through and then shut the up. It's as simple as that, a lot of these damn arguments go back and forth, page after page. Just turn down you damn ego a notch and remember that you could just be arguing over the net with a serial killer or some random prick with no job , living with his parents who has nothing better to do than nit pick everything you say just to get you stirred up. If I wanted to waste my time arguing over the net, I'd do it with a famous producer like Dave Dresden. :haha: |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Oh right so MFG,Pleiadians and Man with no name are goa trance and not psy?!?...:rolleyes:
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I never say an artist is a genre, because artists obviously produce different styles of music.
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I remember when "The Prophecy" by MFG first went out and everyone, the press, the media,the people, the compilations which contained songs, were refering to them as "Psy-Trance".(ok they were some "goa" compilations that feature their songs, but that's no problem since...they are the.... same!)We were all wrong back then right? All these were goa not psy!Psy was some other(???) artist back then.
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Goa was marketed as goa, you can't possibly ignore that. Rebel9 wrote about it.
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And you compare modern stuff with stuff from the 90s saying that they belong to different genres?...:rolleyes:
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I do.
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I may talk to much BUT you talk to little...
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I wrote enough for you to understand that my position differs from yours. |
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| PETRAN |
http://www.discogs.com/release/80002
(released 1996 by phonokol). It seems that astral projection didn't describe their sound as goa.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/MFG
"Message From God- PSYTRANCE from Israel"
http://www.discogs.com/release/41400
So, Hallucinogen are "Goa-trance"?
I love how many of you fight for the distinction, but each one of you has a different perception of what goa-trance is and what psy-trance is.:haha:
It's true you genre-maniacs there is NO distinction. And the "goa" think in the compilations it's because it sounds easier and cool. There are tones of "psychedelic trance" compilations as well in the 90s that feature the exact same artists!Oh and stop comparing "kabalah" to cosma's "full-on"!!!It;s the evolution of israeli psy-trance that became more "full-on" that contributes to slight sound differences rather then that today's stuff is"psy" and the 90s stuff was only goa and we were all wrong back then, when we were experiencing the whole think in it's explosion!(Astral projection and MFG were playing in greece every week back then heh).Cheers. |
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