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'America's Mayor' Giuliani explores possible presidential run
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| Krypton |
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A washington outsider, a moderate, brought crime under control in New York, mayored the city thru' september 11, for low taxes and a balanced budget.
He has my GOP nomination. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
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A washington outsider, a moderate, brought crime under control in New York, mayored the city thru' september 11, for low taxes and a balanced budget.
He has my GOP nomination. |
If it were between he and McCain, I'd definitely prefer Guliani. If the Wingers can be kept at bay, I think he would have a very good shot at the Presidency. If Obama decides to put his hat in the race, however, then I think things would get very interesting. That might actually be one of the least slimy and attack-ridden races if that were to happen, and again I honestly wouldn't lose too much sleep if Guliani won.
I just don't see him winning the Republican primary though, unless he switches some of his social viewpoints to a more conservative side. |
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| occrider |
| In the general election, Guliani would steamroll over anyone with the possible exception of Obama. But I still think he would beat Obama. Obama would definitly be able to secure the democratic ticket ... not sure about Guliani grabbing the Republican one. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
In the general election, Guliani would steamroll over anyone with the possible exception of Obama. But I still think he would beat Obama. Obama would definitly be able to secure the democratic ticket ... not sure about Guliani grabbing the Republican one. |
Obama or Hillary? Hmmm, even though I dislike her, she has a better chance then Obama in this one. I agree with you on Giuliani, but McCain is also a moderate republican, so it will be interesting to see if any other conservative republicans will step up. I'd choose Giuliani, but McCain isn’t a bad option. Now, if these two will be the strongest candidates for the GOP, then I think that maybe republicans want to take a different step, if no conservative republicans step up. Kind of reminds me of how the Dems ran Clinton a moderate as their candidate. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I just don't see him winning the Republican primary though, unless he switches some of his social viewpoints to a more conservative side. |
I don't think so. A lot of republicans are disgruntled over the war. There might be a movement within the party toward moderation. Look at the election results. The democrats won because of one thing. The Iraq war. Hell, I even voted democrat for both House and Senate for Florida. Because I hate Iraq, I'm tired of hearing it in the news, tired of sending friends and family members to a blunder-ridden venture. I want out of this war, and back to concentrate on ourselves, and our problems, before taking on the world's. A lot of Republicans are feeling that way too, not just dems. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I don't think so. A lot of republicans are disgruntled over the war. There might be a movement within the party toward moderation. Look at the election results. The democrats won because of one thing. The Iraq war. Hell, I even voted democrat for both House and Senate for Florida. Because I hate Iraq, I'm tired of hearing it in the news, tired of sending friends and family members to a blunder-ridden venture. I want out of this war, and back to concentrate on ourselves, and our problems, before taking on the world's. A lot of Republicans are feeling that way too, not just dems. |
Oh I understand wholeheartedly - here in Kansas many folks are ardent Republicans and are just as sick and frustrated with the Iraq situation. Or to take it a step further, there were a number of moderate Republicans that switched parties to fight against far-right incumbents. Our Attorney General race, for example - incumbent Phil Kline is about as far-right and a huge Christian fundamentalist as you can get. He ended up getting schlacked by a former Republican turned Democrat for the AG position by nearly 20 points.
With all that said, I still believe the far-right holds a sincere amount of power still and will still have a heavy influence on the next GOP candidate. I could be very wrong, but I guess we'll see as we get closer to '08. |
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| NeoPhono |
Call me cynical, but I think the Democrats are going to have to put someone else out there besides Hillary and Obama if they're hoping to win.
Hillary is not very popular across the board. I know many Democrats who aren't thrilled about her. She's too controversial and has too much history with this country to get elected. Add that to her being female, and I don't give her much of a shot.
I like Obama, and I'd probably vote for him, but I'm very concerned that his "ethnicity" would be his downfall. A lot of older Americans vote, and I'm not too sure how they'd go if it came down to Obama and a stereotypical white male. You also have the entire southern US, who, to put it nicely, tend not to be very progressive. I'd like to think this country can look beyond ethnicity, but I'm not optimistic about that. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I like Obama, and I'd probably vote for him, but I'm very concerned that his "ethnicity" would be his downfall. A lot of older Americans vote, and I'm not too sure how they'd go if it came down to Obama and a stereotypical white male. You also have the entire southern US, who, to put it nicely, tend not to be very progressive. I'd like to think this country can look beyond ethnicity, but I'm not optimistic about that. |
A lot of older Americans? Those older Americans raised their children to be like them. And their children are raising their children to be like them. It isn't only the older Americans who wouldn't vote for a negro. I know I wouldn't. Especially after what he said about Americans being progressive. What a dumbass! Where did he ever get that idea from? And other than that. He is too religious. It will be like having another Bush in the white house. The only difference will be that he is a democrat and black. AND he will make people convert from evangelican to luthern.
But Obama is an oreo. Maybe that will definately get him hanged in the south. That is if he ever considered to run. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
A lot of older Americans? Those older Americans raised their children to be like them. And their children are raising their children to be like them. It isn't only the older Americans who wouldn't vote for a negro. I know I wouldn't. Especially after what he said about Americans being progressive. What a dumbass! Where did he ever get that idea from? And other than that. He is too religious. It will be like having another Bush in the white house. The only difference will be that he is a democrat and black. AND he will make people convert from evangelican to luthern.
But Obama is an oreo. Maybe that will definately get him hanged in the south. That is if he ever considered to run. |
...uhm, wow. :eek: |
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| Konijn |
| giuliani is a disgrace. a craven opportunist of the worst stripe whose failures are too numerous to list. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
giuliani is a disgrace. a craven opportunist of the worst stripe whose failures are too numerous to list. |
Thank you
The only reason he's popular is because we got attacked. 9/11 was the great mind eraser and he made out even better from it than Bush did. People completely forgot all of the criticisms of him when they had to support him in an effort to get NYC back on its feet. |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Thank you
The only reason he's popular is because we got attacked. 9/11 was the great mind eraser and he made out even better from it than Bush did. People completely forgot all of the criticisms of him when they had to support him in an effort to get NYC back on its feet. |
When I think Giulliani, I think 9-11. I don't know anything of how well he does as a politician. He is in the spotlight for many people because of his front page status during post 9-11, but is he credible enough to head the executive branch for the whole nation? |
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