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Glenn Beck - Certified Dipsh$t
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| MisterOpus1 |
Really Glenn, is such a statement truly shared among Americans?:
| quote: | From the November 14 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: History was made last Tuesday when Democrat Keith Ellison got elected to Congress, representing the great state of Minnesota. Well, not really unusual that Minnesota would elect a Democrat. What is noteworthy is that Keith is the first Muslim in history to be elected to the House of Representatives. He joins us now.
Congratulations, sir.
ELLISON: How you doing, Glenn? Glad to be here.
BECK: Thank you. I will tell you, may I -- may we have five minutes here where we're just politically incorrect and I play the cards face up on the table?
ELLISON: Go there.
BECK: OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I've been to mosques. I really don't believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it's being hijacked, quite frankly.
With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."
And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.
ELLISON: Well, let me tell you, the people of the Fifth Congressional District know that I have a deep love and affection for my country. There's no one who is more patriotic than I am. And so, you know, I don't need to -- need to prove my patriotic stripes.
BECK: I understand that. And I'm not asking you to. I'm wondering if you see that. You come from a district that is heavily immigrant with Somalians. And I think it's wonderful, honestly, I think it is really a good sign that you are a -- you could be an icon to show Europe, this is the way you integrate into a country. I think the Somalians coming out and voting is a very good thing. With that --
ELLISON: I'd agree with you.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200611150004 |
Why do uneducated bigoted boobs have such positions like this? Is CNN really tryin' hard to have a Faux News type a line up with this dip? What a twit. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Really Glenn, is such a statement truly shared among Americans?: |
Sadly, more than I'd like to admit. |
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| Shakka |
I haven't gotten into Beck and really don't know much about him, but couldn't this also be viewed as him creating a forum for Democrats to defend the accusations thrown at them that they do support a "cut-n-run" strategy? At least he brings it up while there is someone to defend against the statement whereas the Hannities and Mike Churches of the world use their podium to sling accusations without offering anyone a real chance to refute them.
That said, I think that setting an explicit timetable that is short-term in nature (less than 12 months), is somewhat of a "let's cut our losses and get the hell outa here before the job is done" approach. I'd like to see our troops come home ASAP and start putting this whole Iraq boondoggle behind us, but not in such a manner that we look like quitters. |
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| Arbiter |
| Well, cut and run is the best strategy. Anyone not supporting it is a poor strategist. It's time to let the illusions of getting the job done go. You're not prepared to go there, and you know it. |
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| Shakka |
| So says you and what you think you know. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
I haven't gotten into Beck and really don't know much about him, but couldn't this also be viewed as him creating a forum for Democrats to defend the accusations thrown at them that they do support a "cut-n-run" strategy? At least he brings it up while there is someone to defend against the statement whereas the Hannities and Mike Churches of the world use their podium to sling accusations without offering anyone a real chance to refute them. |
While that may be partially true about Hannity and like, Beck tends to hold these type of views pretty regularly. The link provides a statement where he says in essence that American Muslims will find themselves behind a barbed-wire fence akin to WWII Japanese camps.
Whatever point he has to make, despite his seemingly blatant racism he could have chosen better words to get his point across. And I really don't see this as him creating a forum in any manner for Democratic defense. If anything not only is he coming across as a bigot, but he's seemingly deliberately lumping Democrats in with Muslim terrorist sympathizers to boot. That's pretty despicable in my view.
| quote: | | That said, I think that setting an explicit timetable that is short-term in nature (less than 12 months), is somewhat of a "let's cut our losses and get the hell outa here before the job is done" approach. I'd like to see our troops come home ASAP and start putting this whole Iraq boondoggle behind us, but not in such a manner that we look like quitters. |
Well it appears that Bush agrees, as he is gonna try for one last "push" of installing 20,000 more troops in Iraq to quell the violence despite General Abizaid stating the other day that more troops won't help at all. Honestly I can understand the argument that you're presenting about a timetable giving the insurgents a set time of shelling out anarchy when they choose. However, I think it also equally sets out a deadline of the Iraqi government needing to get their together and attempt to actually govern it's people responsibly rather than rely so heavily on our military to hold their hands forever. Not to mention that it saves our own troops' lives.
It just seems to me that given the past few years' history of events, things have not gotten better no matter how many troops we put in. If anything evidence demonstrates our presence garners more hatred and violence and not peace. Training their police and military does take time, granted. But it seems we are long past that window of opportunity as the Iraqi people have a long desire to kick our asses out ASAP. Honestly at this point I think even a healthy number of Bush and pro-war supporters are throwing up their hands and saying, "Fine with me, let's get the out and let you guys kill yourselves." It just hasn't gone well at all, and I'm trying to be as optimistic about this without my usual fingerpointing as to why. Our idealism got waaay too far ahead of reality, so I think we need to cut our losses and put the pressure on the Iraqi goverment to govern themselves.
They very well may not be able to accomplish that, and that burden should lie heavy on our conscience. But I really can't stand seeing so many of our military people dying and getting their limbs blown off for such a cause of sectarian violence that is simply not going to get any better with our presence. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Well it appears that Bush agrees, as he is gonna try for one last "push" of installing 20,000 more troops in Iraq to quell the violence despite General Abizaid stating the other day that more troops won't help at all. |
I'd only support this if Bush added another "0" to the end of that figure, which is what should have happened in the first place. Even then things may not have worked out well, but that, combined with the 150,000 we originally put there, would at least be what the strategists told him we needed to do in order to maintain order in the post-war reconstruction. |
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| DJ Shibby |
I watched his show when it first came out, because he had a good attitude and a light-hearted nature, and he didn't tow any party lines, which was very welcome in a time when only neocons had spotlights on evening television.
However, I stopped watching his show not long after, and it seems like he's just as mean and sensationalist as any other.
He always has this lawyer from the ACLU on his show, and he hates the guy, and they debate about something new every episode... the ACLU guy always whoops his ass, it's great.
But seriously, who would hate on the ACLU? And why? Their entire purpose is to selflessly help the underdog. :sadgreen: |
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| Krypton |
So MisterOpus, you don't believe there is a deep and subconsious fear of muslims in this country? I think in every western country, there is a general fear of muslims, but not an outright outcry against them. It's based on assumptions, so when I first see someone who appears to be Muslim, I will automatically in the back of head think 'terrorist'. But I will not act badly towards them, and do treat them the same as anyone else, because chances are they have nothing to do with terrorism.
If you ever watched Borat, he brings out subconsious prejudices in a way no other comedian could do. Glenn Beck just stated a subconsious prejudice against muslims that is in america, and does exist. September 11th happened, people are going to have sentiments against the social group the perpetrators came from. It's human. Glenn Beck is just one to come out and say it. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
So MisterOpus, you don't believe there is a deep and subconsious fear of muslims in this country? |
Unfortunately for some, yes.
| quote: | | I think in every western country, there is a general fear of muslims, but not an outright outcry against them. It's based on assumptions, so when I first see someone who appears to be Muslim, I will automatically in the back of head think 'terrorist'. |
How unfortunate you seem to be one of those people stated above.
| quote: | | But I will not act badly towards them, and do treat them the same as anyone else, because chances are they have nothing to do with terrorism. |
Well thank heavens you seemingly know the difference despite your initial unfounded fears.
| quote: | | If you ever watched Borat, he brings out subconsious prejudices in a way no other comedian could do. |
As with most movies - I'll be waiting for DVD.
| quote: | | Glenn Beck just stated a subconsious prejudice against muslims that is in america, and does exist. |
That does not make his statements any more correct in stating them publicly. Furthermore, I might have dismissed this commentary if it were a fluke, but as it happens Beck has made this almost habitual with such thoughtless drivel.
| quote: | | September 11th happened, people are going to have sentiments against the social group the perpetrators came from. It's human. Glenn Beck is just one to come out and say it. |
Again, the fact that people have certain prejudices does not make stating them publicly any more correct in the manner at a freakin' Congressmen who just got elected of all things. Obviously the people in his district were educated enough to know such prejudices were unfounded and meaningless in a worthwhile discussion, so why the hell would someone on a worldwide broadcast state something so obviously out of line?
There's quite a few folks who still hate African Americans and believe they should be exterminated. Will Beck be confronting Obama next because he is black and that there are a healthy number of KKK, Nazi-lovin' dips in the world who may believe African Americans are a threat to our Anglo-Saxon society? Or perhaps such prejudices are not even worth mentioning in a worthwhile discourse? |
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