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something i started thinking about delay...
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| Floorfiller |
so i've been working on a peice and i've got delay on one of my channels and all...
then i was listening to some movie scores and was thinking...you know can't really think of any instruments that naturally have delay. so what do you guys think? i can understand using delay in sound effects and stuff like that, but for other things is it just a short cut for bad programming? |
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| mysticalninja |
no lol.. delay'd leads super common in trance, just dont put the wet/dry over 45%, and highpass it so it doesnt have lowend if your putting it on bass or something.
also you can compress it to make the delay stand out more without muddying up the original sound. |
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| Floorfiller |
well i guess the way i was thinking about it was this...
what is delay?
isn't it really just a repeated note with a change in velocity and panned in some direction?
say an orchestra is playing. well if they wanted to make it sound like a delayed instrument wouldn't they just have another dude repeating the notes at a softer volume?
i guess as far as synthesizer lead sounds go...it could be maybe a little different, but i dunno...i just started thinking...maybe i'm not taking enough time to program it right... |
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| Pjotr G |
| if you pluck/strike/stroke a string softer ("lower velocity") the timbre changes. Same with brass, percussion...and pretty much anything. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pjotr G
if you pluck/strike/stroke a string softer ("lower velocity") the timbre changes. Same with brass, percussion...and pretty much anything. |
isn't the timbre also changed in delay that we use? usually there is some kind of filtering... |
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| DigiNut |
| You also generally don't hear a sawtooth waveform in nature. Isn't the point of electronic music to come up with new and interesting sounds that aren't naturally occurring? |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You also generally don't hear a sawtooth waveform in nature. Isn't the point of electronic music to come up with new and interesting sounds that aren't naturally occurring? |
yeah i'm not doubting that...that is a great dynamic of electronic music.
i dunno. maybe this thread is pointless, but i just was using this xylophone sound and had this delay on it and then started thinking...did i poorly program it and then relied on the delay to make it better? or is the delay giving it something that can't be the result of programming?
i dunno...nevermind i guess. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Delay can also be used to make a melody sound more complex and interesting than it would be otherwise. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
i dunno. maybe this thread is pointless, but i just was using this xylophone sound and had this delay on it and then started thinking...did i poorly program it and then relied on the delay to make it better? or is the delay giving it something that can't be the result of programming? |
Just remember the golden rule: what sounds good, is good! I usually take a break when I start to overanalyze like that. ;) |
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| Pjotr G |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
isn't the timbre also changed in delay that we use? usually there is some kind of filtering... |
Most of the time (but not consistently), "delay" is a term coined for an exact replication of the sound, decaying in volume, and "echo" being it's counterpart where a filter is also increasingly applied.
Besides, timbre changes and timbre changes don't have to sound alike at all :) |
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| nephilim |
| Trance music is probably the genre where delay is the heaviest and most used effect. Listen to a rock- or house-track, you won't hear much delay in that. So be careful with using delay effects when producing other genres, especially high feedback settings, high wet/dry ratios and ping-pong delay! Try to use reverb instead, to place the sounds in the mix and to make the sounds fuller and wider. My biggest problem when starting to produce other genres was to get rid of the delay-effect. Don't think so much like a trance producer when doing f.ex. pop or breaks, it will only (obviously) make your productions sound more "trancy". |
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