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Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews (pg. 2)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
(kung fu master that is, Sifu Kramsky :p). |
yeah, i'm glad you cleared that up for us. it had a weird potential to it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
yeah, i'm glad you cleared that up for us. it had a weird potential to it. |
LOL You bastard. :D |
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| Yoepus |
Not that I'd waste my precious time actually listening to what that person has to say:
Saying Zionism is the enemy of Jews (by which I am sure he/you mean Israeli people) is like saying Islam is the enemy of Palestinians.
After all if the Palestinians were Jews there wouldn't be this problem.
(Just like saying if the Jews didn't want their own country, there wouldn't be this problem).
Quiet the geniuses these Brits are! I wonder how this conflict went a rye so well under their governance of these lands?!:rolleyes: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Not that I'd waste my precious time actually listening to what that person has to say:
Saying Zionism is the enemy of Jews (by which I am sure he/you mean Israeli people) is like saying Islam is the enemy of Palestinians.
After all if the Palestinians were Jews there wouldn't be this problem.
(Just like saying if the Jews didn't want their own country, there wouldn't be this problem).
Quiet the geniuses these Brits are! I wonder how this conflict went a rye so well under their governance of these lands?!:rolleyes: |
Bad analogy. Zionism to Jews is as Radicalism to Palestinians would be more appropriate IMO. Zionism is not quite Judaism. Just like islamic radicalism is not quite Islam.
Yeah, lets convert all Palestinians to Judaism and that will solve the problem! Haha ... or, from their point of view, lets convert all Jews to Islam - then there wouldn't be the problem. If you converted Palestinians to Judaism, there will still be Muslims who will be unhappy with Jews controlling all the sacred areas in Middle East, especially the venerated Jerusalem. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Bad analogy. Zionism to Jews is as Radicalism to Palestinians would be more appropriate IMO. Zionism is not quite Judaism. Just like islamic radicalism is not quite Islam. |
No it fits. Its a religious conflict at its center.
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Yeah, lets convert all Palestinians to Judaism and that will solve the problem! Haha ... or, from their point of view, lets convert all Jews to Islam - then there wouldn't be the problem. |
Yes exactly, now you agree with me how ridiculous the statement that Zionism is the enemy of the Jews is.
| quote: | | who will be unhappy with Jews controlling all the sacred areas in Middle East, especially the venerated Jerusalem. |
:eek: :eek: Your ignorance is bountiful.
It is very well known to all of course how Jews control all the sacred areas in the Middle East, especially Mecca and Medina!!:rolleyes:
Of course, it is not even needed to be said that Jews control all the sacred areas in the Middle East, because afterall, everyone knows the Jews control all the world.:rolleyes: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
No it fits. Its a religious conflict at its center.
Yes exactly, now you agree with me how ridiculous the statement that Zionism is the enemy of the Jews is.
:eek: :eek: Your ignorance is bountiful.
It is very well known to all of course how Jews control all the sacred areas in the Middle East, especially Mecca and Medina!!:rolleyes:
Of course, it is not even needed to be said that Jews control all the sacred areas in the Middle East, because afterall, everyone knows the Jews control all the world.:rolleyes: |
Ugh ... I meant to say the shrines and holy places on the territory of Israel. And Islam considers several places within Israel as holy to its religion. Israel exerts control of these critical places, and though Muslims are with restrictions allowed to visit these, to them it appears as Zionist occupation. |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Are you behind a proxy or something at work btw? Your status almost never says online. :conf: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Not that I'd waste my precious time actually listening to what that person has to say:
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I fail to see why you're even attempting to comment on what he said then.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Saying Zionism is the enemy of Jews (by which I am sure he/you mean Israeli people) is like saying Islam is the enemy of Palestinians.
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No it isn't.
First of all, Zionism isn't a religion, it's a political ideology, one that actually contradicts the Torah which several religious Jews have actaully spoken out against in the past and still do so.
Second, all Palestinians aren't Muslim.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
After all if the Palestinians were Jews there wouldn't be this problem.
(Just like saying if the Jews didn't want their own country, there wouldn't be this problem). |
Well, Zionism wouldn't have a problem with them as having a Jewish majority in historical Israel is a fundamental aspect of it. So if you're not Jewish, you're kinda screwed, like the Palestinians. So that much is obvious to anyone.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Quiet the geniuses these Brits are! I wonder how this conflict went a rye so well under their governance of these lands?!:rolleyes: |
There would be no Israel if it weren't for the British mandate leading up to the partition.
Now to answer your question, the reason why "Zionism is the real enemy of the Jewish people" is quite simple really. The very creation of the state of Israel isn't moraly justifiable to begin with, but it happened anyways. It's continued policy of illegal expansion, violation of countless UN resolutions, displacement of the indigenous people (aka Palestinians), along with a bunch of other stuff doesn't exactly help it's reputation or the perception of the Jewish people, especially when it becomes the cause for much tension elsewhere and affects a host of other situations/areas. The fact taht it's done at great cost to others, like the American people for example, doesn't help eigther, you know, like literally billions of dollars of our tax dollars, not to mention military aid, and unilateral political support. The truth about Israel/Palestine can't be suppressed forever, and slowly but surely, people are finding out and [unfortunately] it's resulting in a fairly image and perception of the Jewish people as a whole. I personally think it's wrong to blame an entire people for the policies and creation of a state, but everyone isn't like me. Whenever someone criticizes Israeli policy, it's not uncommon at all to hear accusation of anti-semitism. That reflects very poorly too on the situation and Israel's position (which again people associate to generally with an entire people), and no one likes to be smeared with false charges and accusations eigther, not do they like being blackmailed into silence or support. So it's also dangerous in the sense that people take the term less seriously as it's loosing meaning with it's unwarranted and reckless usage.
Anti-semitism has been around in Europe amonst other place for a fairly long time, although it subsided significantly after WW2. And the only reason why it may be on the rise again is Zionism and it's uncompromising nature. Events like the King David Hotel bombing, though not common knowledge, aren't exactly secret anymore. Neigther is Israel's the attack on the USS liberty. Neigther is the fact that Israel is getting away with gradual genocide and theft. Neight is the fact that she's violated international law countless number of times. Neigther is the fact that Israel is the only state to get such special treatment and support from the US.
Everything adds up and it's definetly not good for the well being of the Jewish people in the long run. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
EDIT: One more thing, most people also don't appreciate being lied to, decieved, or manipulated.
EDIT2: And that's why you'll never hear me use the term 'Zionist' and 'Jewish' interchangeably. They're definetly not the same thing. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
No it fits. Its a religious conflict at its center.
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No it isn't. The fact that they're Muslims/Christian/Jewish/other is fairly irrelevant to the plight of the Palestians. It adds another element to the conflict, but it certainly doesn't change a thing when it comes to occupation and conquest. No one appriciates that, religious or areligious. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| So I hope for the sake of the Jewish people, and the rest of us too, this issue is resolved. |
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