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This makes a VERY sobering read (Michael Moore letter) (pg. 2)
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| josh4 |
Its always good practice to follow up anything MM says with a critic. Here is one.
| quote: | Michael Moore’s Thanksgiving Message: Americans are stupid
By Judi McLeod
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
On February 2, 1989 a long convoy of Soviet trucks under a mushroom cloud of dust made its final trek from Kabul Afghanistan in a troop withdrawal that had started the previous May.
The trucks were full of tired Soviet soldiers, some of them waving rifles whose barrels were graced for the occasion with field flowers. Afghans standing along the roadside to see them off were in the most jubilant of moods. Under equipped, rug merchants and farmers out of the field had fought the enemy in their bare feet. In the end it was their day, for they had put the run to the most dreaded force on earth—the Soviet Red Army.
Don’t know where documentary filmmaker Michael Moore was in 1989, but according to him, the former Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan after only 36 weeks.
That’s part of the history lesson the ever voluble Moore gave in his Thanksgiving weekend letter to “Friends”, entitled Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do.
It didn’t take Moore long to order the Democrats to pull the troops from Iraq “NOW, not six months from now.”
“Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do with our national security.”
Always too big for his elephantine britches, the man made famous by Fahrenheit 9/11 and who hides behind a camera, is now in charge. Indeed, the 10-cent general is now giving the orders.
This is a general who doesn’t know that the Soviet Union did not quit Afghanistan in 36 weeks, but fought Afghans for 9 long years.
Moore: “They (the Soviets) did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left.”
They lost dignity and face and allowed the victorious Mujahideen to show to the world that the legendary Red Army, feared by so many had changed dramatically—it could be beaten.
Moore is correct in his statement that “a civil war ensued”, but is more than a little presumptuous when he says, “the bad guys won. Later, we overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It all works out in the end!”
Afghan hero Ahmad Shah Masoud, the Northern resistance leader fighting toe to toe with the Taliban, would be surprised to hear that the bad guys won. Masoud, affectionately dubbed “the Lion of the Panjir Valley” for his valour fought the Soviets and the Taliban after the Soviet withdrawal. He would have been still there fighting, but two days before 9/11 Osama bin Laden had Masoud murdered by assassins posing as photographers, and the rest as they say is history.
Not a shoot-from-the-lip Michael Moore revised history, but one paid for in blood by Afghans who defied Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, who had used as his excuse for going into Afghanistan, the necessity to drag the ignorant Afghans kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
The quintessential Hollywood malcontent, Moore makes the perfect armchair critic. Never fought with the coalition of the willing a single day in his life, but an expert on the exit strategy all the same.
Moore dares to speak for Americans as a people without virtue of ever holding public office. Thinking that he holds Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in the palm of his hand is not the same as running for and achieving a seat in Congress.
Threats and bellicose are what Michael Moore does best: “The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren’t kidding around, Democrats, (the royal “We” being himself and Cindy Sheehan) and if you don’t believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month.
“We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans. The opening page of my website has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush’s War. But it is now about to become the Bush/Democratic Party unless swift action is taken.”
How dare this wannabe politician speak about American soldiers who died when their parents are honouring their memories on Thanksgiving?
The offensive Moore puts fellow Americans down, including those in harm’s way in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with the loved ones of fallen heroes: “We Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of us were upset and angry after 9/11 and we lost our minds. We didn’t think straight and we never looked at a map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and our lazy media, we knew nothing of history.
“We didn’t know what a Sunni or a Shiite was, never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according to National Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.
Guess Mikey’s taking “Americans are stupid” lessons from intellectual John Kerry.
Meanwhile, the only one “scared to death” on this Thanksgiving was tough talking bully Michael Moore.
http://www.americasnewssource.com/2...-news112806.htm |
I don't really have a problem with Moore one way or another. I consider him to be one of many people on the far end of the spectrum that get more attention than they deserve. People like Moore, O'Reilly, Coulter, whohaveyou, tend to be mentioned more than others not because their opinions matter more but because what they say causes controversy and controversy sells. Even though they're about always annoying, they're important to have because like Lilith said they cause us to think about ourselves. They're a reminder of where we stand and force us to consider the extreme possibility.
Also don't forget these people have careers that require them to keep their name in the headlines. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I too am not a big fan of that fat slob either.
His whole 9/11 movie had more holes than swiss cheese and had been debumked a million times over; yet people still listen to his bellowing like a love struck liberal moose call... |
Did it rattle your cage or something and make you feel uncomfortable or something? F911 had holes? Have you actually researched it yourself? Or just listened to some ranting, angry het-up Republican?
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Its always good practice to follow up anything MM says with a critic. Here is one. |
Why is it that critics of Moore can't criticise without making it personal. Do they get frustrated that they can't argue back? |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Did it rattle your cage or something and make you feel uncomfortable or something? F911 had holes? Have you actually researched it yourself? Or just listened to some ranting, angry het-up Republican?
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Researching Michael Moore's movies are next to impossible. Especially when doing a Google search. You either get a gullible liberal or a cranky conservative running their mouths. I have yet to find a impartial look at any of his movies. We all know he cuts and pastes in his movies. We saw this in Bowling for columbine when he tried using two different speeches from charlton heston (The two different color shirts is a giveaway). He's a master of disception, but the only people giving a is the far extreme from both sides of the political spectrum. |
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| Kapedan |
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
He's always right, when has he been wrong? |
Says the guy who is a member of the ACLU. |
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| Sexy_Warden87 |
| Josh4 is absolutely rigth. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Says the guy who is a member of the ACLU. |
What are you trying to say by this? |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Its always good practice to follow up anything MM says with a critic. Here is one.
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But, that was a terrible critique. Personal attacks and blatent rhetoric. Instead of critiquing what he said, she attacked Micheal Moore the person and decided to argue that his letter was disrespectful to troops. She didn't even try to critique what the point of the message was. |
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| King Ecnal |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
What are you trying to say by this? |
pay no attention to kapedam, he's a schmuck... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
:rolleyes:
so tell us about those so called holes and the lies,since you seem to know the truth all the time. |
MM is hardly a certified genius and I feel sorry for anything that falls for that kind of tripe...
There's whole websites dedicated to the debunking of this movie that any 5 yr old can Google.
Rather than trying to look all indignant, how about you enlighten yourself for a change? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
Says the guy who is a member of the ACLU. |
Hmm, I wasn't aware that there was some correlation between believing everything Moore says and being a card carrying member of the ACLU, a defender of civil liberties no matter who you are - Republican, Democrat, everything in between and on the outside. If you don't believe me, you might want to ask your friend Mr. Limbaugh about them.
You might also want to ask Occ as well - last I checked he was still a Libertarian and no high fan of Moore. I'm a member myself, and although I tend to agree with Moore more often than not he does annoy the out of me at times.
Your O'Reilly-esque complaint about the ACLU is not a terribly valid one. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
MM is hardly a certified genius and I feel sorry for anything that falls for that kind of tripe...
There's whole websites dedicated to the debunking of this movie that any 5 yr old can Google. |
so you base your opinion based on a few websites from google?thats good to know...
| quote: | | Rather than trying to look all indignant, how about you enlighten yourself for a change? |
I dont see anything wrong with his views and he has made alot of good points about this administration and the war in Iraq.prove to me he he is full of ,since you seem to know alot about his work. |
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