I saw the full version, but this is all I could find. Pretty well done I think.
Discuss.
DJ Shibby
Great stuff... I think most of us are aware of it.
It's amazing what a few bone structure changes and a few different amino acids (ie: testosterone vs estrogen) can do!
venomX
There's so many things wrong with this. I mean seriously, this is so one minded it's kind of ridiculous. Given, it's true the media has a role in building people's character, but does he really think that this is something new and that the media is the sole reason? This is what i can tell from the video. If this is true, this is a poorly made documentary. If it evaluates all the other reasons then I agree that this is one of the many facets of the violent character of the ideal male.
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by venomX
There's so many things wrong with this. I mean seriously, this is so one minded it's kind of ridiculous. Given, it's true the media has a role in building people's character, but does he really think that this is something new and that the media is the sole reason? This is what i can tell from the video. If this is true, this is a poorly made documentary. If it evaluates all the other reasons then I agree that this is one of the many facets of the violent character of the ideal male.
Actually, in the full documentary, he clarifies that that isn't his argument.
venomX
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Actually, in the full documentary, he clarifies that that isn't his argument.
Cool, just making sure.
Arbiter
Yeah, I think we'd be much better off if we encouraged young men to aspire to be weak, yielding, dependent, and most of all disrespected.
venomX
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Yeah, I think we'd be much better off if we encouraged young men to aspire to be weak, yielding, dependent, and most of all disrespected.
I think the quote in your signature sheds some light on your point :p
Arbiter
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Originally posted by venomX
I think the quote in your signature sheds some light on your point :p
Haha you may well be right there. ;)
metalgearsolid
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Yeah, I think we'd be much better off if we encouraged young men to aspire to be weak, yielding, dependent, and most of all disrespected.
That wasn't his point. What he is referring to is male to male violence. Some "men" think thier bad boys until they talk down to the wrong guy. And they end up being shot or killed. I think what we need in this society. Is to tell young men to never talk down to another individual simply because you'll never know what might happen. He might seem quiet and weak, but if you talk down to him he might just stab you with a knive.
Edit: I focused on one area.
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Yeah, I think we'd be much better off if we encouraged young men to aspire to be weak, yielding, dependent, and most of all disrespected.
You're right, I certaily don't agree with that. But that wasn't the guys point. I have to run to my CS Lab rightnow, I'll get back to you later about this.
shaolin_Z
OK, so basically what he said was that "vunrability" (I prefer the phrase "lack of absolute emotional independence and selfreliance") isn't a sin (or humanly possible) and no body is superman (I'm really oversimplifying it here). I didn't entirely agree with everything he said eigther, and I don't think the pussification of men is the solution to all the problems he went over. But he made some good points.
I basically think that all the qualities you listed earlier are essential; I consider them to be part of what largely defines what being a man is. But in the absense of things such as honour (therefore not being abusive or unecessarily domineering) and empathy, people can do some pretty messed up things.
I think the basic problem is that most males bull themselves about having those qualities when they really don't; they need to be nurtured/developed. Most people period have tons of complexes and are insecure about their selfworth (especaily in their manhood for men, and I'd go as far as saying women in their "womanhood") which is why they feel to the need "validate it" by dominating others (in the case of men by being jackasses or violent, and in the case of women, being excessively obnoxious and neurotic). IMO, most people simply have no concept (or atleast a very poor/oversimplified/minimal understanding) of honour and respect. Which is why they end up acting like dicks/bitches (pardon my french).
[EDIT:] A bunch of minor corrections to be more coherent.
shaolin_Z
I guess I didn't really do justice to the his analysis by posting such a small excerpt here as such a condensed overview has the potential to be fairly misleading.
