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Kill the babies but save the pigs (pg. 2)
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
yes humans are animals...whats your point????
give up what and give it up for what?
i NEVER said humans where terrible...maybe if people would not skim through what i say and took a ing minute to try and get a glimpse of what i am tlaking about then you would understand what i am mean.....but as far as humans destroying the earth..well compaed to animals other then humans..we ae killing this earth/planet at a remarkeble rate...you cant deny that..if ytou do then your very ignorant...look at global warming, the ozone, the water, the air, the landscape..its all being destroyed by us NOT the bears and rabbits etc etc....thats a fact...take it or leave it..
Well i dont think we arte inferior..i never said that...but i also dont think we ae superior.....and no i can not respect someone who says they ae pro-life yet ae willing to kill and eat animal products....they should call themselves pro-human-lifers...that is more suited to their cause...
how did i do that....so its ok for everyone to attack me but if i stand on my firm ground i am some sorta bad guy... |
in your response to QuickStep you said: 'seems like we should be inferior...' i interpret that as you saying were inferior. nobody is skimming your posts and missing your point. i just now realize that you have only one point, and its a stupid one that really doesnt matter. OK, so you think that prolifers cant eat meat...good for you. i realized with your response to me that thats all you believe, but you arent willing to back it up or do anything about it. sure, it may not be 'correct'.
the way you discuss humans vs. animals, you make a dirrect distinction between the 2.| quote: | | ...i was stating that we as humans do more damage to the planet then animals do..... |
humans=animals...it weakens your point is all im saying.
regardless, im just wasting time with this post, since apparently replying with the same response and calling people 'pricks' is about all you are adding here...late/ |
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| DuMonde TrAnCeR |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
whats wrong with saving pigs.....they have just as much of a right to live as we do....they like us interact with other pigs, feel pain and sorrow, reproduce, run and play, eat and sleep, and bleed red.....is cus we talk?...or cus we are superior?...what is the difference between a baby pig and a baby human....when you break i it down..there is really no difference at all.....both are lives...correct me if i am wrong. |
but then again we dont eat humans, so killing pigs is natural for us, because we eat them. unless you eat babies tiesto14? :stongue: |
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| AnotherWay83 |
hey man tiesto14, remember, u were supposed to take a break from TA...hahahaha...what ever happened to that, remember that thread u made...heheh...sorry man dont mean to be a prick i just find it too funny, i mean many ppl. have said such things but few have been able to break away from TA :D
btw, i agree w/ u about the stuff u said...just cos they're animals doesn't mean we treat them bad...but i think the original point of the original thread was sumthing else....i dont know...
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| Michael Russo |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
yes i deleted it because people where not understanding the point of it...and i felt it would be easier to delete it then to deal with moronic statements from people who dont even understand the point that was trying to be made....
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Some people may have made stupid comments but not everyone was. I read the whole thing, I understood the arguments, and I responded with my (long) opinion. You shouldn't have just deleted the whole thing... |
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| Lazgti |
Dumonde Trancer made the point very concisely...
Eating meat is arguably necessary to survival...as humans we are at the top of the food chain almost...eating meat for sustenance is different than killing a baby because you were to lazy to buy some Trojans or to take a pill (I am using this situation...I know someone will say what about rape victims...for now lets assume they are a small minority which is not an unreasonable assumption because most abortions are just cop outs...I can't be a good mother, the kids life will be terrible this that...sex is a very adult thing and if someone is going to engage in it they should make an adult decision and accept the fact that a kid might pop out...unless an extra thirty seconds is taken to slap on a Trojan...my 2 cents).
As a pro-lifer, don't flame me this is my opinion and I am not preaching to others...but as a Christian we are tought that human beings have a soul...where pigs or animals do not. It is murder to us...someone is willingly taking away the life from a child of God.
Also, creatures on the earth are subordinate to man and man can and should use the fruits of the earth and living things to meet his/her survival needs. Before someone flames me...as a Christian we are taught that it is a sin to be wasteful and also to inflict unnecessary hurt or pain on God's creatures. So, my interpretation of it is this...you have a pig farm where these pigs are bred for the sole purpose of feeding people...its OK. You have a psycho sitting in his apartment and is skinning a cat alive only to watch the creature in pain or whatever (and I have seen this in a newspaper before) that is a 'sin'. My rationale is this: God cave man dominion over all creatures to feed and clothe him, but this is a mockery of God essentially...since we beleive God created all things...this psycho is tormenting and killing a creature given the gift of life by God.
These are my opinions, I know someone will flame me...but bear in mind...I am not telling you what to beleive...this is just an explanation (which I hope is accurate) of the Christian view.
But even from a scientific view or non-religious view...abortion and natural order on the food chain is not even in the same league...my 2 cents |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lazgti
Eating meat is arguably necessary to survival... |
That is false...studies have shown that a diet without meat is not only healthier for your body but also for your mind. A human does not need meat to survive at all.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lazgti eating meat for sustenance is different than killing a baby because you were to lazy to buy some Trojans or to take a pill |
That wasnt what i was trying to get at AT ALL....i was meaning that people who are so into preserving human LIFE should also do the same for non-human life...HENCE the word "PRO-LIFER"....they should not classify themselves as PRO-LIFERS...the term is incorrect for there cause.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lazgti this is just an explanation (which I hope is accurate) of the Christian view. |
To an extant...God's plan originally was for humans to be vegetarians and after he flooded the earth he said one day we will be again....just hasnt happened yet.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Lazgti But even from a scientific view or non-religious view...abortion and natural order on the food chain is not even in the same league...my 2 cents |
Well....to you maybe..but to animal activist it is horrific...and there are many similarities to both pro-life and animal activism...and if you wanna tlak scientifically then you cant speak in the name of Christianity since most of what is preached by Christians is impossibilities in the scientific world... |
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| Spad |
Well if we're so equal to other animals why can't we eat meat? Other animals do don't they? I'm sure nobody would be making a fuss if lions suddenly worked out how to farm sheep. Or would we ask them to stop doing it because they're not being fair to the other animals?
At the end of the day we're part of the food chain too you know. Luckily the top. |
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| DuMonde TrAnCeR |
| i think lions should farm sheep |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR
i think lions should farm sheep |
its a damn good idea.
basically this WHOLE argument comes down to the fact that literally 'Pro-Life' *would* mean 'for life' - which would conceptually apply to any life. IN REALITY - Pro-Life is a homonym that has meanings beyond its literal one. 'Pro-Life' in American society DOESNT refer to any life (animal or human) its a political stance on abortion.
i think we have all read enough about religion and stuff on these forums to form our own opinions on the matter. tiesto14, youre just being a hypocrite by refusing OTHERS viewpoints while getting pissed that no one follows you. we got your point, you dont need to tear apart everones personal beliefs just because you dont think 'pro-life' should only be about abortion. in america 'pro-life' concerns abortion...if you think that everyone shouldnt eat animals, start a topic about being a vegan.
my question: do you practice what you preach?
:rolleyes: late/ |
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| Lazgti |
Tiesto, I wasn't flaming you man...I wasn't even directing the post at you dude...all I was saying is that in fact alot of bitches out there are being total sluts about things and basically looking at abortion as a way to have their cake and eat it too...the same applies to the fahkers banging these girls. I think its very very sad to see couples engaging in unprotected sex or whatever and not considering that the act results in procreation. A kid is likely if the chick is ovulating. It bugs me that people are like "Well I don't like to use condoms" or whatever...they are practically handed out to people here in Canada...anybody can go to a clinic and get free condoms, yet its still too much of a pain in the ass and these idiots start arguing about their rights...fahking selfish if you ask me. Women being irresponsible and then getting pregnant then tossing aside the child's right to live because she made a mistake...I say learn from mistakes.
And I just agreed that pro-life should apply to other creatures as well...I am not in agreement with abuse or useless destruction of animals.
Funny that you made the point about the animals in Noah's Ark...what purpose was served by saving these creatures, so that when the rains ended, they would procreate and Noah and his descendents could have dominion over them...ie, live by having food and beasts to help them farm.
About the meat eating thing...I said arguably it is necessary to eat meat. Technically one can survive by eating only vegatarian foods. Arguably is the key word. I am partially vegetarian...its a long story but most of the time I do not eat meat or dairy products. However, not everybody can or should do it. Humans are naturally carnivores...eating vegetables and vegetable proteins alone is not enough for many people to obtain all the necessary nutrients and amino acids. But in any case, the food chain is real and the fact that humans are at the top. Regardless of how they got there...some argue because of God's will to make man superior to all living things or because of human intelligence and ability to adapt to situations and control the environment he lives in. Whatever, we still aren't talking about the same things...
Pro-lifers are referring to the saving of fetuses as they are scientifically referred to (they are nonetheless human life) from those that choose to abort a pregnancy for whatever reason. That same rationalle you are right should apply to life in general. However eating subordinate creatures is not cruel or morally wrong given its nature. A human is a equal to another human being. For someone to say that they should be allowed to abort their child is essentially saying that their life is more important than someone elses. After all its terribly inconvenient to have a kid so just because the baby is carried in the mother's womb she should be able to do as she wishes to her body...that sounds fine if there was nobody else to consider but that is not the case. If someone wants to pierce everypart of their anatomy or get tatoos, or drink til they puke or dose on E or whatever, it is THEIR BODY AND THEY CAN DO AS THEY WILL. But, a pregnant mother saying its her right to abort a child because its in her body is IMO wrong...that kid did not ask to be conceived. It is a well known consequence of sex. If she did not want a kid she should have kept her panties on or got some Trojans and did what she wanted...its not my place to say what a person should or should not do. But its simple, you have sex, you may have a kid. Its well known...this ignorance argument is BS too....kids not only know how children are conceived now but they also know different positions and now. I feel like a prude when talking to some of my younger cousins (they are like 13 years old...). They know about sex and what the purpose is...procreation...the pleasure is a by-product or means, not the end in itself. So to say, its my body noone elses I can do whatever I want, is total fahkin BS. It is somebody elses...just because that person does not speak yet, or walk, or live on the outside independently of its mother's womb does not mean that little person has no feeling or soul. Its a person and people forget that....it isn't about a woman's body, its about the destruction of the child being carried in her body as a result of her actions. The woman's rights are not the issue here, its discrimination, the child cannot defend itself or survive without its mother so it is considered inferior...sort of Nazi like...if you want to look at it like that. |
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| Lazgti |
| Peeps sorry for sounding preachy, I just get really heated about this stuff... |
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| Lazgti |
| quote: | Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR
i think lions should farm sheep |
ROFLMAO...nice one! LOL |
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