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Whats the point of sanctions by UN, when you already have more supreme US..
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| Purple |
I mean common Iraq had sanctions imposed on them for 10-30 years or so, criblling their economy and livelihood, these sanctions on Iraq killed so many chidrens and pregnant women.. and ensured that their country cannot have economic developement at all for next centuary or so..
They took it with a pinch of salt, and still what they got in the end? A US invasion, cos these sanctions werent able to destroy the country more effectivle as Senior Bush expected it to.. so Junior Bush kept his dad's promises and hopes..and destroyed the country totally as Senior Bush wanted..
Tomorrow if UN imposes santions on Iran, is their any gaurantee that US wont invade it in future for oil? |
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| pmoisse |
I understand what you're getting at, but even Bush Sr thought that removing Saddam was a bad idea since he knew that they couldn't control the ethnic issue, and any fighting that would ensue.
Bush Sr knew that Saddam maintained stability in the country, albeit with a very cruel & heavy hand. He was predictable, and kept Iran in check.
I'm not sure if sanctions will really affect Iran all that much...or at least in the desired way. I think that they really need to actually talk with Iran directly and try to work something out.
Bush Jr's no-direct-talks attitude towards Syria and Iran has only alienated an already hurtin' US standing in the area. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
no, what we should do is allow any country that wishes to ignore treatiest or international law to continue without any punishment at all, thus undermining the capacity for the UN to do its job, as well as encouraging future non-compliance from other regimes.
so, cant invade a country, cant impose sanctions. how the do you deal with countries that breach the rules in your utopian fantasy land purple? :rolleyes: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no, what we should do is allow any country that wishes to ignore treatiest or international law to continue without any punishment at all, thus undermining the capacity for the UN to do its job, as well as encouraging future non-compliance from other regimes.
so, cant invade a country, cant impose sanctions. how the do you deal with countries that breach the rules in your utopian fantasy land purple? :rolleyes: |
Yes, apparently that doesn't apply to the US and Israel. You hypocrite. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yes, apparently that doesn't apply to the US and Israel. You hypocrite. |
you. im not in the mood for your typical one-eyed bull this morning. please find the particular post where i argue the US and/or israel should be excused for breaking international law or treaties, then you just might have an argument.
the difference between you and i is that i readily admit the short-comings of the US or israel, where you're all too happy to blame the entire middle-east's problems on both, and apologise ad nauseum for terrorists and the disenfranchised, somehow believing two wrongs make a right.
who is the hypocrite? :rolleyes: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you. im not in the mood for your typical one-eyed bull this morning. please find the particular post where i argue the US and/or israel should be excused for breaking international law or treaties, then you just might have an argument.
the difference between you and i is that i readily admit the short-comings of the US or israel, where you're all too happy to blame the entire middle-east's problems on both, and apologise ad nauseum for terrorists and the disenfranchised, somehow believing two wrongs make a right.
who is the hypocrite? :rolleyes: |
First of all, I'm not a ing apologist for terrorist and criminals like you. You're the one who's the apoligist here, not me. I'm not fond of terrorist, theives, and criminals like yourself, regardless of what part of the world they come from, including those who profess to be followers of my faith, or profess to be defenders of the constitution. So go yourself you pathetic hypocritical piece of . |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
please find the particular post where i argue the US and/or israel should be excused for breaking international law or treaties |
fail. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| Just a general thought here, but what in the ever happened to diplomacy? A strange a foreign concept to most folks, especially this current Administration, but more often than not it can prove rather effective and a nice intermediary step prior to an invasion, especially an invasion by choice built up by flawed intelligence and flat-out liars such as Chalabi Inc. |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Just a general thought here, but what in the ever happened to diplomacy? A strange a foreign concept to most folks, especially this current Administration, but more often than not it can prove rather effective and a nice intermediary step prior to an invasion, especially an invasion by choice built up by flawed intelligence and flat-out liars such as Chalabi Inc. |
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I don't understand how they expect to achieve a diplomatic solution in this situation when they refuse to engage Iran and Syria directly and see what they might have to offer in terms of help.
("they" being the US Administration)
I understand that Iran and Syria have been aiding various insurgent groups, and have blood on their hands. That shouldn't stop the US from at least talking with them, along with the new Iraqi government and try and come up with a cohesive strategy to help everyone. The US set the conditions for this show to happen, even in light of long-standing intel that forshadowed this situation. Talking to the groups involved would be a good place to start trying to find a solution.
Question to everyone: What would happen if the Iraqi's themselves declared that they wanted the US forces to leave? Maybe through a popular referendum or something?
This would be a request from a sovereign nation, would it not? If the US insisted on staying, it would run the risk of further being seeing as an occupier, not a liberator. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Just a general thought here, but what in the ever happened to diplomacy? A strange a foreign concept to most folks, especially this current Administration, but more often than not it can prove rather effective and a nice intermediary step prior to an invasion, especially an invasion by choice built up by flawed intelligence and flat-out liars such as Chalabi Inc. |
Diplomacy, probably got punted out the door along with the current US administrations other 'things' that get in the way of a half decent war.
Like civil rights, privacy laws and democracy... :thepirate yarrr... |
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| Lilith |
What happened to the rest of you animals this morning?
It's like someone sprinkled GBH on your weaties and gave you all inflatable baseball bats to club each other over the head with, you know the ones that make the squeaky dog-toy noises?
Way too much sugar!
Settle the hell down! |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| meh, its monday morning, im stuck in the ing office, and captain pirate (think constant eye patch arrghh) accuses me of being a hypocrite. |
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