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China weighs covert ops to overthrow N.Korea's Kim
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| DevilDogUSMC |
China has begun drawing up plans to attack North Korea, according to the Paris-based Intelligence Online newsletter.
Hu Jintao, head of the Central Military Commission, has ordered the Chinese military to draw up the attack plan as a move "deliberately meant as a threat to the regime of Kim Jong-Il." The report said the plan was leaked to sources close to Western intelligence in Hong Kong.
The action follows China's displeasure at the Oct. 9 nuclear test, which Hu regarded as a snub to the International Affairs Leadership Group that he has headed since 2003.
The report said Hu has dealt with Kim in a conciliatory manner, unlike his predecessor Jiang Zemin, who disliked the North Korean ruler.
According to the report, intelligence activities against the Kim regime also are being considered. The Chinese military intelligence service, known as 2 PLA, "is toying with the idea of a palace revolution that would kick out the 'Kim dynasty' and replace it with 'pro-Chinese generals,'" the report said.
China's top military officer on North Korea is said to be Gen. Yan Jiangfeng, current vice president and secretary-general of the China Institute for International Strategic Studies (CIIS), a think tank close to 2 PLA.
Yan was a military attaché in Pyongyang and is close to retired Gen. Xiong Guangkai, also at CIIS and who was close to Jiang.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtr....064583333.html
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC
China has begun drawing up plans to attack North Korea, according to the Paris-based Intelligence Online newsletter.
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HELL YEAH |
| quote: | Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC
Lilith couldn't agree with you more. Violence and
armed resistance is not the way. Peaceful protests
will get them more respect from the world than
targeting civilian homes and schools. |
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...66&pagenumber=3
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| Lilith |
| quote: | | China has begun drawing up plans to attack North Korea, according to the Paris-based Intelligence Online newsletter. |
Somehow I'd say by now seeing as it's now public I doubt they'd be doing very much with it. Course, being China, annexing smaller neighbours isnt exactly unheard of either regardless along with giving a damn what the rest of world thinks. |
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| venomX |
| So are you signing up for a piece of the action DevilDog? I think the worse thing is the Hell Yeah at the end. You're actually excited at the possibility of a war starting. But hey, maybe this way your boys at the USMC can learn how to wage an effective war from the Chinese. |
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| St_Andrew |
| China do NOT want an unstable North Korea, that would mean millions of refugees pouring into China, so personally I think this is bull. One can hope they make a "palace revolution" though, which would be a start towards real freedom :) |
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| DevilDogUSMC |
Ok kiddies. Quick lesson:
N.Korean Elites (the guys with money, and powerful)
are very very very very very pissed at Kim for the nuclear
tests and the resulting sanctions. China is equally pissed
because they told him not to. Even thou they got some
intel of our Ballistic Missle Defense when they were activated
for the missle launches earlier.
Safe to assume there's a possibility of Kim being killed
or overthrown. The ensuing chaos is bad for the S.Korea,
China, the entire region, and the world really.
SOoooooooooo why do I support China doing it and placing
pro-china generals? Because even that is better than
chaos and whoever might fill the power vacuum.
It's a 'controlled' takeover. Well somewhat but it's better
than the country collapsing with or without kim at the helm.
It's already barely afloat and Kim has many enemies foreign
and domestic.
Yes I wish for peace, but a small covert op to take him out
is better than a real war. It's not like we're talking a
UN or US vs N.Korea or even China vs N.Korea war so stop
saying I want a war. Cover Op, look it up people...
And this is a nice FU to the people who sit there and defend
his regime (people in general not anyone here that I know)
because now his only friend in the world China is turning
on him. Hence the 'Hell Yeah' statement. He's lose his only
friend and a more stable situation will probably come about
instead of that midget loon. (no offense to midgets present) |
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| Krypton |
| It would be much easier for China to do this than for the west. The west already does too much, and this may be China trying to take care of its own backyard dog. There is also no DMZ on the Inchon River. |
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| pmoisse |
I'm thinking China will likely wait until after the Olympics to do anything.
After that, game-on I guess.
Maybe they'll go after Taiwan at the same time? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
Maybe they'll go after Taiwan at the same time? |
wouldn't doubt it, now that the US is all ed up over in IRAQ? Who is there to really stop them? The UN?? ha ha "go sell some medicine bitches!!" :D
At least q5 will feel at home.
:D :p |
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| DevilDogUSMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
wouldn't doubt it, now that the US is all ed up over in IRAQ? Who is there to really stop them? The UN?? ha ha "go sell some medicine bitches!!" :D
At least q5 will feel at home.
:D :p |
The US's strategy for decades has been to be able to
fight two huge major wars and a peacekeeping mission
and win them decisively.
If China invaded Taiwan, under our treaty with them
we would have to help. We have plenty of resources
to do that. Not sure about exact numbers but maybe
10% of our forces are in Iraq or Afganistan.
We can still kick China's bum. They have old equipment
but are modernizing right now. They're also buying alot
of naval ships and anti-ship missles to counter our strong
Navy and Marine Amphibious Assualt ships that would respond.
Also bought a dozen or so personnel transports for their
troops.
It will be another 10 years till they feel confidant they
can take our Navy and Marine Corps to invade Taiwan. But
Taiwan would be devastated and do they really want to control
a devastated island and the survivors while having lost
tens of thousans of soldiers and dozens of ships/subs for it?
In 10 years most of the 'old guard', the old communist hardline
old timers will be dead and the younger generation aren't
all butt-hurt as them over Taiwan's independence to get them
involved with a major war with the United States.
Right now they like making money, they have an economy dependant
on the west and the US. They don't want to throw that all away
for a small strip of land. |
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| BiG-_BoSS |
| quote: | Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC
In 10 years most of the 'old guard', the old communist hardline
old timers will be dead |
10yrs? But the Chinese easily live to be more than a 100!! |
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| Fir3start3r |
There's speculation though that China might not do anything unless NK, of course, decides to get stupid...
What are the chances of that? :crazy:
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'Concerted Front'
Why Seoul is soft on North Korea.
BY B.R. MYERS
Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST
No country today is as misunderstood as North Korea. Journalists still refer to it as a Stalinist or communist state, when in fact it espouses a race-based nationalism such as the West last confronted during the Pacific War. Pyongyang's propaganda touts the moral superiority of the Korean race, condemns South Korea for allowing miscegenation, and stresses the need to defend the Dear Leader with kyeolsa, or dare-to-die spirit--the Korean version of the Japanese kamikaze slogan kesshi. The six-party talks are therefore less likely to replicate the successes of Cold War détente than the negotiating failures of the 1930s. According to early reports from Beijing, the North Korean delegation appears more confident than ever. It has clearly been emboldened not only by its accession to the nuclear club, but by the awareness that Seoul will continue providing food and financial support no matter what happens.
This support is not meant to expedite unification, which South Koreans are happy to put off indefinitely. Nor has it much to do with concern for starving children; by now everyone knows where the "humanitarian" aid really goes. No, the desire to help North Korea derives in large part from ideological common ground. South Koreans may chuckle at the personality cult, but they generally agree with Pyongyang that Koreans are a pure-blooded race whose innate goodness has made them the perennial victims of rapacious foreign powers. They share the same tendency to regard Koreans as innocent children on the world stage--and to ascribe evil to foreigners alone. Though the North expresses itself more stridently on such matters, there is no clear ideological divide such as the one that separated West and East Germany. Bonn held its nose when conducting Ostpolitik. Seoul pursues its sunshine policy with respect for Pyongyang.
The relationship between the Koreas can therefore be likened to the relationship between a moderate Muslim state such as Turkey and a fundamentalist one like Iran. The South Koreans have compromised their nationalist principles in a quest for wealth and modernity, and while they're glad they did, they feel a nagging sense of moral inferiority to their more orthodox brethren. They often disapprove of the North's actions, but never with indignation, and always with an effort to blame the outside world for having provoked them. (The same is true of moderate Islam's response to fundamentalist terrorism.) To be sure, there was public anger at Kim Jong Il when his nuclear test made stock prices drop in Seoul, but it dissipated the moment the U.S. began talking sanctions. Seoul has since made clear that the nuclear issue will have no significant effect on its sunshine policy. This earns it no goodwill from the North, mind; between soft-liners and hard-liners, sympathy can only go in one direction.
The ideological landscape of the peninsula defeats the reasoning that led to the six-party talks in the first place. North Korea is not a communist country with ideological and sentimental reasons to listen to China and Russia; it is a virulently nationalist state that distrusts all the other parties at the table. And though the rhetoric of a "concerted front" against North Korea has proved to be just that, it has sufficed to heighten South Korea's sense of solidarity with the North. This will continue to mean plenty of aid money for Kim Jong Il with which to build weapons. The U.S. has urged Beijing to bring more pressure to bear on the North. But if America can do nothing with its own ally, it can hardly expect the Chinese to do more with theirs.
Mr. Myers is a North Korea researcher at Dongseo University in Busan, South Korea.
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