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Armin - Communication = Cheesy Trance? (pg. 5)
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Of course you can. |
Yeah really... then you just have to get into level of cheese.... mozarella, cheddar, etc... |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| Tracks like Armin's Shivers, anything by Oceanlab, anything by DJ Sammy etc, I would just lump together in the same group. Any Armin fans who would beg to differ are clearly deluded. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
It never ceases to amaze me how few people actually know what "cheesy" means. I mean, for 's sake. Popular doesn't mean cheesy. Mainstream doesn't mean cheesy.
What we're dealing with here, is something called perspective. So many short-sighted dicks on this forum draw the cheese line based on what their favourite genre is. So if you're into Detroit Techno and spend an entire Jeff Mills DJ set cracking one off, you'll say all trance is cheesy. If you're into epic, melodramatic, Dutch pap you'll only consider stuff like happy hardcore to be cheesy, and you'll probably call everything else dull or snobby. If you're into Scouse House then you have a rare brain condition and can't actually experience the sensation of cheese at all. |
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| isoterra |
| was decent for its time. he needs to stop remaking it every bloody year though, the new version sucks |
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| Col |
I've always thought 'cheesy' just means corny, embarrassingly clichéd, the musical equivalent of a chat-up line or a Schwarzenegger quote. Catchy but very simple melodies based around C F and G chords, simplistic inoffensive lyrics, stuff like that.
On here, cheese threads are just an excuse for s to name tracks they know have a big following on this forum, just to be provocative. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Col
I've always thought 'cheesy' just means corny, embarrassingly clichéd, the musical equivalent of a chat-up line or a Schwarzenegger quote. Catchy but very simple melodies based around C F and G chords, simplistic inoffensive lyrics, stuff like that.
On here, cheese threads are just an excuse for s to name tracks they know have a big following on this forum, just to be provocative. |
Here's my definition of the term, which I wrote a while ago. And basically, it's the same as yours:
Cheesy music is simply corny: for whatever reason, it is music you are unable to take seriously. It might be because it's taking itself too seriously, or it might simply be because it has pitched-up chipmunk vocals. Cheese can be outstandingly innovative, incredibly high quality or simply stupid bollocks. Anyone who tries to define cheesey beyond that simply doesn't know the meaning of the word. You can have a cheesy smile, a cheesy advert... anything can be cheesy. It's simply something that cannot be taken as serious or straight-faced, whether or not it is aiming for that impression.
The Prodigy's "Out of Space" is probably the best cheesy dance track there is. It's 14 years old and still played out to . It's a total classic, and loved throughout dance music circles. It's loved throughout all circles. I still hear it being blasted out of trendy clothes shop speakers. However, with its Jamaican vocals, comedy "boing" sounds and a sped up Ultramagnetic MC, it is undeniably cheese. You still dig it's vintage rave, "let's ing 'ave it" high-energy vibes, but you don't take it seriously.
At the other end of the scale there is Rank 1's "Airwave", such a horrifically overblown piece of schmaltz that only a small child can possibly take it seriously. It goes so far into trying to be serious that it breaks- you stop believing in whatever emotional message it's trying to pipe you.
Somewhere in between, there is the rest of cheese. DJ Alligator Project's Whistle Song is a classic example of bad cheese because it is built entirely out of stupid, immature, daft ingredients. However, the straight-faced lyrics and stern Germanic commands, it contradicts itself. It's also sold to 12 year old kids who go to youth clubs, who take it desperately seriously because they don't know any better.
Contrasting that is 2 Unlimited's "Get Ready For This", a classic example of good cheese. It's got a killer hook and the rhythmic balance is awesome, yet it's clearly poppy euro-trash and doesn't try and hide it. It's all in good fun.
That's the difference between good and bad cheese. Good cheese knows its stupid and is there to unplug your head to. Bad cheese wants to be something else, but its creator is so ing incompetent that they can't deliver their message. |
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| ElBazzo |
| I suppose you can consider anything armin does cheesy, but in my opinion id consider anything dj sammy does to be far cheesier. |
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| Col |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Cheesy music is simply corny: for whatever reason, it is music you are unable to take seriously. It might be because it's taking itself too seriously, or it might simply be because it has pitched-up chipmunk vocals. Cheese can be outstandingly innovative, incredibly high quality or simply stupid bollocks. Anyone who tries to define cheesey beyond that simply doesn't know the meaning of the word. You can have a cheesy smile, a cheesy advert... anything can be cheesy. It's simply something that cannot be taken as serious or straight-faced, whether or not it is aiming for that impression.
The Prodigy's "Out of Space" is probably the best cheesy dance track there is. It's 14 years old and still played out to . It's a total classic, and loved throughout dance music circles. It's loved throughout all circles. I still hear it being blasted out of trendy clothes shop speakers. However, with its Jamaican vocals, comedy "boing" sounds and a sped up Ultramagnetic MC, it is undeniably cheese. You still dig it's vintage rave, "let's ing 'ave it" high-energy vibes, but you don't take it seriously.
At the other end of the scale there is Rank 1's "Airwave", such a horrifically overblown piece of schmaltz that only a small child can possibly take it seriously. It goes so far into trying to be serious that it breaks- you stop believing in whatever emotional message it's trying to pipe you.
Somewhere in between, there is the rest of cheese. DJ Alligator Project's Whistle Song is a classic example of bad cheese because it is built entirely out of stupid, immature, daft ingredients. However, the straight-faced lyrics and stern Germanic commands, it contradicts itself. It's also sold to 12 year old kids who go to youth clubs, who take it desperately seriously because they don't know any better.
Contrasting that is 2 Unlimited's "Get Ready For This", a classic example of good cheese. It's got a killer hook and the rhythmic balance is awesome, yet it's clearly poppy euro-trash and doesn't try and hide it. It's all in good fun.
That's the difference between good and bad cheese. Good cheese knows its stupid and is there to unplug your head to. Bad cheese wants to be something else, but its creator is so ing incompetent that they can't deliver their message. |
Yeah, good shout. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Somewhere in between, there is the rest of cheese. DJ Alligator Project's Whistle Song is a classic example of bad cheese because it is built entirely out of stupid, immature, daft ingredients. However, the straight-faced lyrics and stern Germanic commands, it contradicts itself. It's also sold to 12 year old kids who go to youth clubs, who take it desperately seriously because they don't know any better. |
Just because a track's fans take it seriously doesn't mean the track takes itself seriously or the producer takes it seriously. Or are you going to say that every track that says "jump up and get your groove on" or any other "command" is bad cheese? I think you're just hitting your own wall of perspective, because there is no way DJ Alligator Project could see that track as anything more than hilarious, fun dance music. He has no bearing on how his music is received. |
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| lücid |
| it makes a great cell phone ringer. |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by distant
Once you hear some of the wickedest, most masculine music in the world, e.g. dubstep, raggacore and jungle, it's not hard to see epic trance as kiddie music.
I'm serious, try it. :p |
i know but srsly, seems that everyday something that people found masculine music yesterday is soon cheese the day after :p |
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| distant |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
i know but srsly, seems that everyday something that people found masculine music yesterday is soon cheese the day after :p |
I can't see Neil Landstrumm - Harlem Shoot Me or Boxcutter - Tauhid ever being cheesy. :eek: |
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