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A modest proposal
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Significantly better trance would be produced if all prospective trance producers were required to do the following things before even attempting to make their first track:
(1) Learn how to play an instrument.
(2) Learn how to read and write music.
(3) Educate themselves about music theory, melodic and harmonic progression, all that good stuff. Learn quite a bit more than just basic chord progressions and how to write in key.
(4) Educate themselves about the history of music: of trance, of electronic music, and even of all of that "antiquated" stuff in that tiny and insignificant period before electronic synthesizers were invented.
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(5) Listen to and enjoy lots of music other than trance from many different genres and eras. It always surprises me when people say that they listen only to trance. Pizza is a tasty food, and one might be able to survive by eating only pizza and vitamins, but...
Not that any of this will happen. But I think it would be nice. |
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| Arbalest |
| and your point is? |
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| The 3am Junkie |
| omg Jonathan Swift reborn! |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbalest
and your point is? |
Just a hopeless wish, I guess. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Listen to and enjoy lots of music other than trance from many different genres and eras. It always surprises me when people say that they listen only to trance. |
I never understood it either, trance makes up a comparatively small part of my music collection and I'll never be really an expert on the genre, most of what I listen to will probably alway be stuff from other sources. The fact that some of it gets used in trance as samples or some producers, mostly EBM, industrial, techno and so on do coproductions in the trance scene was mostly what got me interested in it in the first place.
Really like to see people if theyre going to remix stuff do a lot more looking around through other genres and get more adventurous with the songs rather than chopping up a current top40 track or some 80's classics. Theres an awful lot of music that would lend itself to being mixed into a good trance tune, sadly with no music training it won't be me that does it :( |
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| BOOsTER |
| Arbalest: Saving the world of trance music lol |
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| Arbalest |
| i thought of something like that^^ |
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| Col |
It depends what you consider "better trance" to be.
A brilliantly talented musician might not know what works on a dancefloor.
If trance production was limited solely to musically informed people, we'd probably have lost out on a lot of classics as well - not to mention minimal and experimental pieces that perhaps represent something completely unmusical.
The most important thing is not criticising the musical merit of trance music, but just recognising that trance artists are not necessarily musicians and that trance music does not always require musical complexity to satisfy its listener. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | A brilliantly talented musician might not know what works on a dancefloor. |
True. The "education" of any trance producer should of course include actually going out to clubs and events and listening to lots of trance.
| quote: | | If trance production was limited solely to musically informed people, we'd probably have lost out on a lot of classics as well - not to mention minimal and experimental pieces that perhaps represent something completely unmusical. |
I can't think of any trance that I would call "completely unmusical." But if we're talking about electronic music as a whole, then I agree.
| quote: | | The most important thing is not criticising the musical merit of trance music, but just recognising that trance artists are not necessarily musicians and that trance music does not always require musical complexity to satisfy its listener... |
Oh, I agree. But I think that even if all trance artists were musicians, they would still know how to write simple but effective stuff to get a dance floor going and wouldn't necessarily pursue complexity for its own sake. |
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| Demoted |
| I came into this thread looking for pictures and/or descriptions of marred and maimed babies. Needless to say, I am slightly disappointed. |
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| Aquarian |
I don't see how -any- of these points would make any difference. If anything, prospective producers need to stop basing themselves on things that have already been established. They need to stop trying to be the next Tiesto or Armin van Buuren and produce something original. Classic tracks were born out of experimentation. Heck - the whole genre was born out of experimentation.
Playing an instrument? What's that gonna do? Electronic music is played by sequencers. Music theory? What's the point? Trance isn't supposed to be about fancy chord progressions and complex melodies. It's supposed to be rhythmic and hypnotic. It's based on principles that existed thousands of years ago amongst scattered tribes that didn't have any kind of system for music. You either get it, or you don't. |
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| sweetcaroline |
Another Modest Proposal:
Prospective trance producers should dine on the flesh of their older, more experienced, more creative counterparts. That will make them better producers because they KNOW what KILLS on the dancefloor. A good choice would be BT for example. Because BT is an accomplished, talented musician AND producer, his organs are imbued with musical talent & luscious, tasty goodness.
Or maybe Blake Jarrell, he has talent and he hangs around TA a lot, so he is probably in a daze from the lack of stimulation he gets from boring, droning trance newbies. Just bop him over the head & immerse yourself in the music talent in his blood. Plus Blake is loaded with essential vitamins and minerals. Mmm, mmm.
Eating elder trance artists will give the trance acolytes the boost they need to overcome the negatvity that has infiltrated the trance commmunity. A newbie munching on Sean Tyas will be considered a hero, but may be doomed to endless reworks/remixes of his piddling creative output.
I argue that picking one's teeth with Paul van Dyk is more important that music lessons, classes, and all the other stuff. Studying is drudgery & eating talented trance artists is fun! |
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