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Psychiatrists are pushers (pg. 8)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
If I did, I'd have to look elsewhere. I don't call this science. 
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lol, im certainly not talking about anyone in this thread, just the general accepted effectiveness of medication treating depression.
| quote: | Originally posted by psy-t
however the onus regarding depression 'types' still remains on you, even moreso because of controversies you've raised in your 'evidence'-post in the begining of this page (@30ppp) when you declared the effects of ecstasy's comedown on the brain, in other words you have shown that all the depression 'types' you've acknowledged and exhibited share the same effect on the brain.
what you are supposed to demonstrate 1. is the existence of a 'biological' source to these effects, and 2. a research supporting the efficacy of SSRI drugs on patients who are depressed due to a 'biological source', while differentiating them from otherwise depressed patients, and most preferably being treated in a way that would actually cure them, rather than focus on weakening the symptoms they experience. |
roger that. ill see what i can do. give me some time my friend ;) |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjConfessions
If you are feeling depressed, take their meds, watch Jackass 2 Unrated, go out, meet some people and if you are still feeling like , kill yourself. You lost a Connect-4 Game with God in purgatory you are doomed to a life of cock. Your seratonin sucks dick and DJ Tiesto will not save your life |
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I'm not laughing at your situation, having psychological trouble is serious business. But somewhere inside that ed up mind there's a good sense of humour, try using it to cheer yourself up. ;) Always try to find positive things to laugh at in negative situations, even if it means laughing to yourself. Listen to stupid music which doesn't take itself too seriously. Watch retarded comedy clips on youtube. All this ing works as a decent anti-depressant. |
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| Devviance! |
Psychology is a refined form of ancient studies. I studied this ridiculous science, and i think that out of all the things they teach you in college, 5% you'll use in day to day life. i've further expanded my interest in astrology, and by far, this ancient science has more consistency than APA psych manual.
I know some of you say that the daily horoscope is bollocks, but grab urself a book on astrology and read it bit by bit and everyday you'll find something that relates to astrology. |
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| guster |
I dunno.
Meds help me a load. Before being on them I dragged around and couldn't really get out of bed orrrr I was insanely energetic and made reallly stupid decisions.. ya I have Bipolar II.
My psychiatrist put me on Lamictal and recently Seroquel and I've done a complete 180. I think accurate diagnoses are essential for the practice.
And yeah, psychiatrists are pushers.. it's their job to help your condition with medicine management. If you don't wanna take them but still seek help.. a psychologist is what you're after.
So, I'm a testament to meds actually helping. I can actually function normally now, but like I said.. an accurate diagnosis is REALLY essential. |
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| Mickey V |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
...most of the time theyll just prescribe anti's just in case |
Theres sometimes a very good reason for this - can anybody say "doctor shopping"?
The vast majority of people are simply not happy if they leave a doctor without a prescription in their hand and they wont come back again - and its sometimes better to keep a patient happy so they come back to see you again, giving you a chance to keep tabs on them and continue to monitor their health.
Having said that it is bad practice to let yourself be bullied by patients on a regular basis. |
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| Mickey V |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
psychiatrists are bs. biochemical and med companies are manufacturers and doctors are their pushers. its big money. the truth is 90% of the time cases can be solved by understanding how ur mind works. but because doc's get huge incentives from these drug companies and theyre always so overbooked and the more ppl they see the more $$ they get, theyd rather just prescribe u the , push you out the door, collect their pay and drive home in their mercedes.
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Its a well known to all psychiatrists that drugs don't fix anybodies mental health problems, the only way to actually fix anyone is through various forms of psychotherapy, but:
a) good luck getting someone to come back to you for a second appointment if you haven't given them drugs,
b) the combination of drugs and psychotherapy works better than either alone (particularly with regards to depression), and
c) if your just an emo, then fine, but if you actually have real and serious mental illness, its really difficult to participate in the sort of therapies required (which require a great deal of committment and effort), and frankly, most people who are seriously depressed can't do it without the help of medications.
And the incentives doctors get from drug companies aren't as great as you make it out to be... yay! a free pen! and a note-pad too, when will christmas end?? The best that most companies offer is the occasional finger-food lunch, as it is kind of unethical for doctors to accept anything of value, most wont accept such gifts, so the companies rarely waste their time offering them. |
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| Mickey V |
| quote: | Originally posted by tranceDJ
And probably the most ed up thing about anti-depressents...THEY PUT LABELS ON THEM SAYING "YOU MAY FEEL SUICIDAL."
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This is because they actually work (not every drug works for every person, but as a general rule, they do work)... alas, nothing is perfect. Anti-depressants do a number of things to you, in this case the important ones are a) improved mood and b) imcreased energy/motivation.
The trouble is they don't do both at the same rate, they tend to increase energy and motivation quickly, but take at least 4-6 weeks to have any effect on mood. When people are really depressed they tend to have little drive or energy, so although you feel like , you can't be ed doing anything about it. Then you start getting treated, and for a short period of time you have energy again (yay!) but you still feel like , so your more likely to attempt suicide.
It doesnt mean they are bad, or they dont work. Everything has side effects, you just need to be aware of them. |
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| Mickey V |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Yes, and it is more in their interest to get you addicted than to actually make you better. Funny how that correlates with that the drugs they push actually do. |
Psychiatrists aren't exactly short of work, they don't need to get people addicted to have a good income. Believe it or not, most doctors aren't evil people, they generally do want to help you. |
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| Slylee |
| all doctors do that, not just shrinks. i have very little respect for doctors these days. they're merely puppets for the pharmaceutical industry. it's sad. |
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| medinaM5 |
| i pushed a psychiatrist once, cuz the bitch was pushin me |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
all doctors do that, not just shrinks. i have very little respect for doctors these days. they're merely puppets for the pharmaceutical industry. it's sad. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
:rolleyes: |
i'll take your one "rolleyes" and raise you one!
:rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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