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Revealed: Israel plans nuclear strike on Iran (pg. 2)
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| hardcore trancer |
Israel has nukes?I thought they a are a peaceful nation with no bad intentons?:rolleyes:
I said it before I ll say it again,Israel has NO BALLS to do such attacks in Iran.If they are stupid enough to do so it ll turn into a bloody war for a long time. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
+1 |
Agreed. Good analysis.
| quote: | | Bush just put an Admiral in charge of CENTCOM. what does that tell you people? |
Coupla things. CENTCOM doesn't just include the Iraq War, but Iran as well. Any confrontation with Iran will most certainly entail Navy operations both maritime and air operations. Furthermore, it's quite strange to put a Navy leader in charge of two ground wars. IOW, Iran is very much in the crosshairs.
If anyone considered the neocons down and out after these most recent elections, if anyone thought they no longer whispered sweet nothings into Jr.'s ear, think again. Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol, AEI, McCain, Lieberman, all very much in the game for at least the next two years:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/2...nation/15154990 |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
If anyone considered the neocons down and out after these most recent elections, if anyone thought they no longer whispered sweet nothings into Jr.'s ear, think again. Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol, AEI, McCain, Lieberman, all very much in the game for at least the next two years: |
thats the main difference between you and i. this whole effort since 9/11 has been about something much more substantial than winning power on Capitol Hill or looking good for the primaries or shaving off points for the latest poll. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
it ll turn into a bloody war for a long time. |
can we hazard a guess on who's side you'll be on? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
thats the main difference between you and i. this whole effort since 9/11 has been about something much more substantial than winning power on Capitol Hill or looking good for the primaries or shaving off points for the latest poll. |
Funny, you really should be telling that to your GOP members that wore out that 9/11 scare tactic/Dems. are pro-terrorist bull long ago.
And don't blame anyone but Bush himself for his ty poll ratings - the guy's at 30% not because of anyone else but Bush. That excuse is beyond pathetic. I thought you and Bush were finished playing the little victim card? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
well, it shows.:rolleyes: |
I think it's rather amusing (and sad) how an individual like yourself, someone much older than me, hasn't grown out of their juvenile, primitive, externally dependant & pathetically extroverted mindset. You've barely grown beyond the mentality of a high school sophmore. Not surprising coming from a brainwashed grunt like yourself. Phrases like "my leader" with a big smile on your face as a reference to corrupt oil men who stole an election to become Resident (aka President) demonstrate how little you've grown or evolved. You're a pathetic partisan hack, and a ing savage as demonstrated by comments like "Some people deserve to be in naked human pyramids." Go yourself you pathetic peice of . And get that fake Texan/Bush/NeoCon out of your mouth already. The jizz is oozing out of every oraphase in your body, it's rather unpleasant really. It obviosly flies out every time you open your mouth. :rolleyes: |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Interesting.
| quote: | Navy Admiral Goes to CENTCOM: Be Very Afraid
Also at Kos.
The "new way forward" team is taking shape. Robert Gates is in as Secretary of Defense. John Negroponte will move from Director of National Intelligence to Assistant Secretary of State. Retired Vice Admiral Michael McConnell will take Negroponte's old job as DNI. Raw Story reports that Lieutenant General David Petraeus, the former day-to-day commander in Iraq, to replace General George Casey as the overall commander of U.S. forces in that country.
The news that has everyone a bit agog is that the head of Central Command, General John Abizaid, will be relieved by Admiral William J. Fallon.
ABC reports that "Fallon, who is in the Navy, is currently head of Pacific Command; he will be overseeing two ground wars, so the appointment is highly unusual."
I think ABC is missing the point.
It seems highly unusual for a navy admiral to take charge of CENTCOM until you consider two interrelated things. First is that Bush needs a senior four-star in the CENTCOM job who hasn't gone on record as opposing additional troops in Iraq. Second is that Fallon's CENTCOM area of responsibility will include Iran.
A conflict with Iran would be a naval and air operation. Fallon is a naval flight officer. He flew combat missions in Vietnam, commanded an A-6 Intruder squadron, a carrier air wing and an aircraft carrier. As a three-star, he commanded Second Fleet and Strike Force Atlantic. He presently heads U.S. Pacific Command. His resume also includes duty in numerous joint and Navy staff billets, including Deputy Director for Operations with Joint Task Force Southwest Asia in Riyahd, Saudi Arabia.
If anybody knows how to run a maritime and air operation against Iran, it's "Fox" Fallon.
No Check, No Balances
The legislature's options for keeping Mr. Bush from sending more troops to Iraq is limited, but if he decides to unilaterally attack Iran, there's virtually nothing Congress can do to stop him.
Bush and his legal beagle Alberto Gonzales could probably claim that the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) from September 2001 gives the executive power to exert armed force against Iran, especially given the echo chamber's recent rhetoric about Iran being responsible for the violence in Iraq. And if you've been listening closely enough, you've heard the subliminal message associating Iran with the 9/11 attacks.
But Bush and Gonzales have a fallback position that's darn near bulletproof. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 gives a president up to 90 days to commit forces to combat without permission from Congress. Ironically, the resolution was passed in the wake of the Vietnam conflict to prevent a president from waging extended conflicts without a declaration of war or "specific statutory authorization" from Congress, but today it gives Bush all the ammunition he needs to start a war with Iran (or anyone else, for that matter) on his own say so.
It's doubtful the Supreme Court could stop him; and even more doubtful that it would if it could.
The only chance of checking whatever aggressive ambitions Bush may have on Iran would be a passive coup by the senior members of the administration's civilian and military security team through a group resignation, and hoping for that is, well, hopeless. After the latest round of musical deck chairs is complete, everybody still on board will have signed on to the program in blood (somebody else's, of course).
What's even more frightening is that the escalation strategy--that includes more troops in Iraq, an expansion of the military and use of armed force against Iran--comes from the core neoconservative cabal headed by Bill Kristol and supported by Dick Cheney that got us into our Middle East miasma in the first place.
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Commander Jeff Huber, U.S. Navy (Retired) writes from Virginia Beach, Virginia.
http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/2007/0...om-be-very.html |
I'd be hard-pressed to think the U.S. will be going to war with Iran anytime soon, however. Bush and the neocon ideologues have shown their utter failures with the current debacle in Iraq, not to mention the Taliban continuing to gain strength and the corrupt warlords still running the country of Afghanistan. The backlash of invading yet another country while being completely overstretched and bogged down in Iraq will be far too much for even the recalcitrant President to ignore. Then again, it will likely seal the deal and destroy the neoconservative movement in full - it just sucks it would be at the expense of so many on a number of different fronts. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I think it's rather amusing (and sad) how an individual like yourself, someone much older than me, hasn't grown out of their juvenile, primitive, externally dependant & pathetically extroverted mindset. You've barely grown beyond the mentality of a high school sophmore. Not surprising coming from a brainwashed grunt like yourself. Phrases like "my leader" with a big smile on your face as a reference to corrupt oil men who stole an election to become Resident (aka President) demonstrate how little you've grown or evolved. You're a pathetic partisan hack, and a ing savage as demonstrated by comments like "Some people deserve to be in naked human pyramids." Go yourself you pathetic peice of . And get that fake Texan/Bush/NeoCon out of your mouth already. The jizz is oozing out of every oraphase in your body, it's rather unpleasant really. It obviosly flies out every time you open your mouth. :rolleyes: |
don't cry because you aren't old enough to pass sound political and foreign policy judgement on a forum full of techno junkies. it's not your fault.:D
...and whats with your fixation on my and jizz? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| if israel uses nukes it will be a disaster on so many levels. even the centrist moderates like myself will be calling for the death of israel :rolleyes: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I'd be hard-pressed to think the U.S. will be going to war with Iran anytime soon, however. |
i agree. if we do it won't be total war. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if israel uses nukes it will be a disaster on so many levels. even the centrist moderates like myself will be calling for the death of israel :rolleyes: |
Israel is aking itself would they rather be dead or hated...they're already hated. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I thought you and Bush were finished playing the little victim card? |
not at all. i'm saying that polls aren't as important to him as they are to you.
congrats on the mid-terms btw, yall proved my point;) |
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