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| Ryan0751 |
| True, if you have no intention of playing real vinyl, just get CDJ's. Plus, if you ever get the opportunity to play out, bringing a laptop and Serato seems like a pain in the ass (and getting it all hooked up). I'd rather just bring a CD wallet and headphones. |
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| nousplacidus |
I actually really like the idea of vinyl and Torq, best of both worlds it seems to me (as far as access to both digital and vinyl media) and I have the rig at home to support audio (may just need to upgrade the sound card).
The other major advantage here is getting into the purely digital mixing world early.
Sounds good, now what about a basic mixer??? |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by David Jeffreys
i think the prices change depending where you live. over here the dennons of $699. and the pioneers are $1199. anyone else have a different price? |
The minimum advertised price on the CDJ 1000 is $1199.....but the MAP on the CDJ 800 is $699. That's what he's saying. |
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| djthunderbird |
| quote: | Originally posted by nousplacidus
I actually really like the idea of vinyl and Torq, best of both worlds it seems to me (as far as access to both digital and vinyl media) and I have the rig at home to support audio (may just need to upgrade the sound card).
The other major advantage here is getting into the purely digital mixing world early.
Sounds good, now what about a basic mixer??? |
are you reading other peoples responses at all? :D
getting turntables and Torq for the sole reason to play digital releases is total nonsense.
I know Im exaggerating but to my mind Vinyl emulation hardware is designed for people who have already played vinyl and want to be able to play new digital releases without changing their medium of choice. These kind of gadgets are also extremelly useful for hiphop djs and alike who love to scratch and do other tricks with vinyl which 99,99% House djs dont ever do.
A whole another point is when you plan to start collecting house/trance classics released on vinyl from 1987-2006. Then ofcourse turntables are a way to go.
In your situation I would definatelly think about getting proper cd-turntables (cdj800's or 1000) and forget about turntables. The learning curve on the cdj's is infinitelly smaller, they offer you more options to be creative (looping seems to come to head as the obvious choice) and their medium tends to last longer ( I know what it feels like not to be able to play your favourite song anymore because years of vinyl wear have rendered the track useless (cracks and pops throughout)
ps: dont start flaming me because of my opinion on vinyl emulation hardware. I know alot of people that use it, and I dont have anything against it I just could find a reason for a beginning house/trance dj to start using one from the day 1. |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nousplacidus
I actually really like the idea of vinyl and Torq, best of both worlds it seems to me (as far as access to both digital and vinyl media) and I have the rig at home to support audio (may just need to upgrade the sound card).
The other major advantage here is getting into the purely digital mixing world early.
Sounds good, now what about a basic mixer??? |
The only thing about Torq is that it supposedly has pretty demanding CPU requirements. Serato needs a much less powerful computer. I would make sure you meet their requirements for a computer before deciding on Torq.
In terms of mixer, I'd recommend the Denon DNX-100 or DNX-300, the Ecler Nuo 3, or the Vestax PMC-06 Pro as the best price/performance and durability ratio mixer if you're only using two channels. There are definitely cheaper mixers that will do the job, but I think the little bit extra for those is worth it. If you do need a lower price point then Gemini has pretty good stuff considering their price. Also the Vestax VMC-002XL isn't bad for a lower price mixer. |
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| nousplacidus |
| quote: | Originally posted by djthunderbird
are you reading other peoples responses at all? :D
getting turntables and Torq for the sole reason to play digital releases is total nonsense.
I know Im exaggerating but to my mind Vinyl emulation hardware is designed for people who have already played vinyl and want to be able to play new digital releases without changing their medium of choice. These kind of gadgets are also extremelly useful for hiphop djs and alike who love to scratch and do other tricks with vinyl which 99,99% House djs dont ever do.
A whole another point is when you plan to start collecting house/trance classics released on vinyl from 1987-2006. Then ofcourse turntables are a way to go.
In your situation I would definatelly think about getting proper cd-turntables (cdj800's or 1000) and forget about turntables. The learning curve on the cdj's is infinitelly smaller, they offer you more options to be creative (looping seems to come to head as the obvious choice) and their medium tends to last longer ( I know what it feels like not to be able to play your favourite song anymore because years of vinyl wear have rendered the track useless (cracks and pops throughout)
ps: dont start flaming me because of my opinion on vinyl emulation hardware. I know alot of people that use it, and I dont have anything against it I just could find a reason for a beginning house/trance dj to start using one from the day 1. |
Brutal.
I'm not retarded, and yes I have been paying close attention to peoples suggestions. I'm not getting turntables and Torq to play digital music. I want to be able to collect vinyl and learn on it, but my dilemma was that at some point I would want to make use of digital music. Torq gives me a shot at both, with a minimum of cost until I feel like buying some cdjs down the road. |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djthunderbird
are you reading other peoples responses at all? :D
getting turntables and Torq for the sole reason to play digital releases is total nonsense.
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Have you?
People have basically said that getting just turntables to start out is probably not a good idea. Other than that, there have been varying opinions.
Personally I think what might make a lot of sense is getting turntables to start out, buying a few records, and learning to spin vinyl (or at least give it a few weeks). I think this is a crucial skill (call me old school). Then, get a vinyl emulation software like Serato or Torq, and you don't have to actually buy vinyl for every track. This makes a lot of sense to me. And learning to spin vinyl to start out is no harder than learning CDJs in my opinion.
I would say either do that, or go with CDJs. |
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| nousplacidus |
| quote: | Originally posted by IntegraR0064
Have you?
People have basically said that getting just turntables to start out is probably not a good idea. Other than that, there have been varying opinions.
Personally I think what might make a lot of sense is getting turntables to start out, buying a few records, and learning to spin vinyl (or at least give it a few weeks). I think this is a crucial skill (call me old school). Then, get a vinyl emulation software like Serato or Torq, and you don't have to actually buy vinyl for every track. This makes a lot of sense to me. And learning to spin vinyl to start out is no harder than learning CDJs in my opinion.
I would say either do that, or go with CDJs. |
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| IntegraR0064 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nousplacidus
/agree |
Check your PMs |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by djthunderbird
getting turntables and Torq for the sole reason to play digital releases is total nonsense. |
I don't think it is - if he wants to learn the discipline of vinyl but cannot afford regular vinyl, yet has a large music collectoin in digital format I certainly see it as a viable option.
I'd certainly consider it in his position. Thats where the market is after all.
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| Aquarian |
| quote: | Originally posted by nousplacidus
but to me having your fingers on the Vinyl with that touch, feel, and control at your fingers enables you in a lot of ways the CDJs can't. |
I think you've already answered your own question there. The whole reason you want to get into DJing is because you enjoy it, and if vinyl gives you that experience, then go for it!
But at the same time, I think that with time you can learn to appreciate CDs just as much. Some people look down on them, but them. This is about you having a blast, not what other people think. It's a different experience all together, but digital media allows you to do all sorts of tricks you couldn't normally do, and that's alot of fun too. Best of both worlds - get both if you have the cash for it. |
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| nousplacidus |
So does anyone have experience with using Techs and Torq?
It really seems like the best of both worlds considering I already own a very nice computer (best of all 22.5 inch flat panel), I could buy and use vinyl at will, I can also spin with digital media, and its a great way to learn.
This seem strait?
Also, I wouldn't mind buying CDJs but if I can get the ability to rock 12" and Wav/MP3 with for nearly the same price, sounds like I should. |
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