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Listening for the bass drum.
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| Nickerous |
I've been practicing the basics for a couple weeks now and I feel like I'm finally getting a feel for beat matching. My one concern is that some tracks have a much quiter kick drum than the one I'm trying to mix it into. I'll try to bring in the next track for a mix but I run into trouble because I cannot here the difference in beats. I just wanted to know if there is a solution some of you can offer or if I just need to humbly go back to my decks and continue to practice until I learn to deal with it.
Side note: I have 2 technic 1200s with serato scratch live, so I'm wondering if it could be the quality (kpbs) of the mp3 that effects how well the bass drum can be heard.
Thanks in advance! |
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| i got big pants |
| thats where good eq'ing comes in...if the kick is low...i usually bump up the mids |
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| Nickerous |
| quote: | Originally posted by i got big pants
thats where good eq'ing comes in...if the kick is low...i usually bump up the mids |
I only have a simple scratch mixer with no mid EQ knob, only low and high. I guess I can just try my best to mess with low and high to make up for that until I evnetually get a new mixer. |
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| sleepydragon |
| you dont need to hear the bassline to beatmatch if i cant it very well you can still match up the other sounds in the track. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
you dont need to hear the bassline to beatmatch if i cant it very well you can still match up the other sounds in the track. |
yep, when beatmatching start listening for the whole track, not just the kicks. Things like the highs are very useful for beatmatching cos they are usually pretty obvious if they start drifting (even moreso than the kicks).
I even read someone once suggesting turning the lows right down and practising matching just using the highs, I've never tried it myself, try just matching the whole tracks rather than just the kick
by "whole track" I mean all the elements of the track (kicks, bassline, melody line, highs, whatever), not matching for 7 minutes :p |
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| Mr. Tippy |
^^ I agree.
For instance, try matching the hi-hat of one track with the bass kick of another. |
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| T-Soma |
If you don't start matching up tracks with things other than just the kick your going to struggle with mixing a cappellas or solo melodies.
I find it helps sometimes (when not mixing) to just sit back and listen to a track and in your mind single out each instrument and listen to it's rhythm. |
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| punjabi |
| matching hi-hats and claps/snares is much easier than mathcing kicks, for me at least. |
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| AnomalyConcept |
| Practicing matching the entire track length is sometimes useful- you can see how accurate your beatmatch was, since closer matches will take longer to drift. Also, you can train yourself to pick out and differentiate between the elements of each track, so you tell which track is ahead, behind, etc. and correct accordingly. |
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| nefardec |
I think it's more important to be able to feel the whole groove. i always beatmatch like it's an excercise in making a new drum loop out of two different tracks - you can just feel everything lock in place. There's usually a part of a percline in a track that is extremely characteristic and I take that and it gets stuck in my mind like a never ending loop. my whole body moves to that base pattern. My whole body reflects it, sometimes my left hand is a kick drum of one song and my right is the hats of another. The ultimate pleasure of beatmixing is that moment where it locks into place and you can feel that new groove forged from two.
I think if you focus too much on one little thing like the bass drum all the time you also will lose focus on the vibe of the tracks you're playing, which is equally important as beatmatching, though of course beatmatching comes first in regards to professionalism.
You might also want to consider playing an instrument in a band. Similar skills are needed with regard to cueing, matching tempo, and matching levels. |
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| sayang |
| What really sucks is that if your vestax mixer doesnt EQ in the headphones, such as mine |
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| Mr. Tippy |
| quote: | | What really sucks is that if your vestax mixer doesnt EQ in the headphones, such as mine |
My old Vestax was like this too. It didn't bother me much. |
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