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Bush pulling needed troops out of Afghanistan - AGAIN (pg. 2)
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
shut up. |
You might want to condiser taking your own advice, might spare you some embarrasment as well ;). |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Well then why don't you enlighten us as you seem to know these things that we don't. |
it's ONE battalion.
Opus, for one reason or another, wants you to think it's Bush the one making this particular call. it isn't. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
might spare you some embarrasment as well ;). |
please don't concern yourself. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
please don't concern yourself. |
Sure, I don't have a problem doing that, but apparently you're pretty obsessed with me, and getting my attention, even had to put me in your sig LOL. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Sure, I don't have a problem doing that, but apparently you're pretty obsessed with me, and getting my attention, even had to put me in your sig LOL. |
dude, let it go already |
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| DevilDogUSMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
it's ONE battalion.
Opus, for one reason or another, wants you to think it's Bush the one making this particular call. it isn't. |
Don't you see Q? Everything the military or government does,
from the forest service, to the merchant marines, it's all
Bush's doing. One platoon gets a 5 minute break during a
march and it was an executive order signed by Bush! OMG! |
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| Q5echo |
well, at the top of Boston.com's link Opus provided it has pic with the caption:
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General James T. Conway wants a US Marine battalion sent. |
what else is a rational person supposed to think? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
so Opus what do you know about which ONE battalion is going where because who said they could go? |
The relevance of knowing the specifics of which battalion is being deployed right when this is occurring:
| quote: | | Taliban forces, shattered and ejected from Afghanistan by the US military five years ago, are poised for a major offensive against US troops and undermanned NATO forces. This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions. |
is what?
US commanders are issuing a ing urgent appeal for another battalion, but instead gets orders to send one of their battalions away instead?
| quote: | | do you people know how big a battalion is? how big this one is? how well this ONE battalion can fight? |
And the necessity to know that when this is occurring:
| quote: | | This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions. |
is what again?
Q, I'm curious - who the are you trying to impress with your insolent silly remarks here? I try really hard to understand a person such as yourself who at one point remarked that Bush has made no mistakes whatsoever, but it's damn hard. A battalion consists of a handful of companies, which combined can have a total number anywhere between a few hundred to over a thousand.
| quote: | | this isn't your war Opus. spare us your concern and don't pretend it is. |
What the kind of statement is that? I supported this war (and actually initially the Iraq War) from the start. Seriously, what the is your point in writing such bull statements like this?
Whether it be a few troops or a thousand troops is highly irrelevant. All intelligence figures (which means Greek to you, I understand) points to the Taliban resurging and gaining strength in that region. The last thing we need is another distraction from that war. We were distracted once by THIS PRESIDENT'S actions to invade another country and divert our troops and intelligence elsewhere, and THIS PRESIDENT'S PLAN is now doing the same act.
Yes, Q, I'm sorry to break the hard news to you, but Bush is responsible for this plan and ultimately responsible for diverting troops to Iraq, once again. No one else is ultimately responsible, unless of course you're going to tell me that it wasn't Bush who announed on TV the other night about sending a surge/escalation of more troops to Iraq?
Put your condescending tone back where it belongs - between your two asscheeks. Where the do you get off thinking I don't have a ing vested interest in how we handle the war in Afghanistan? If you don't mind, I'd like to at least come away with a bit of success in at least 1 of our wars as opposed to being ed in both wars. If anything, it's ignorant nitwits like you that demonstrate their lack of concern for that war - otherwise I believe you would show your disapproval of us taking our eye off of bin Laden and giving that job over to corrupt warlords.
But I still don't seem to recall you stating such disapproval. Strange that. |
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| EvilTree |
| Considering that NATO commanders (well, the ones actually doing the heavy fighting other than US) are screaming for merely few thousand (2000 or something like that IIRC), a battalion of 600-800 soldiers is actually quite a lot. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
condecend this, dude.
with that diatribe of yours said, are you willing to put the entire credibility of the ground Commanders in Afghanistan on the line over one vague sentence from an editorial in the paper? looks like it to me. |
Dip, it's not an editorial. I know that's hard to comprehend, but it's the second time you've made that mistake of calling an AP news item an editorial.
And yes, by the intelligence reports on Afghanistan and by this paragraph:
| quote: | | KABUL, Afghanistan -- Taliban forces, shattered and ejected from Afghanistan by the US military five years ago, are poised for a major offensive against US troops and undermanned NATO forces. This has prompted US commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new US Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions. |
Which by the way, are you stating that the last sentence is false? Are you stating that US commanders have NOT issued appeals for more troops to Afghanistan?
Couple that with these further statements:
| quote: | | Despite the presence of about 30,000 NATO troops -- roughly 10 percent short of what its member nations had pledged to provide -- Taliban attacks on US, allied, and Afghan forces more than tripled in the past year, from 1,632 in 2005 to 5,388 in 2006, US officials say. |
I'd say that pulling any troops out of the region is a miscalculation, ESPECIALLY for the escalation elsewhere. I got the message that Gen. Conway is sending the battalion out when I first read this, champ. Tell me something, would he be sending ANY troops out if it weren't for Bush's escalation plan?
| quote: | | this is not your war. don't pretend it is. |
Oh, I see your condescending point now. Gee, sorry to be such a concerned American citizen, champ. I guess when I see more troops diverted to a failed and extraordinarily unpopular escalation plan with no end goal in sight (much like the rest of the Iraq war) by our Administration as a last ditch effort to save his own ass while killing others, I tend to get a little pissed. Crazy, I know, but it happens to us little American citizens.
So why did commanders send troops and intelligence away from the Tora Bora region and into Iraq away from bin Laden (you know, the guy that attacked us?), while placing that operation in the hands primarily of corrupt warlords? I still haven't received a very good answer from you on that. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I still haven't received a very good answer from you on that. |
i have no idea. well i kinda do but im not gonna air it right now.
so your still convinced Bush made this call, right? he said f**k all you guys i want this Btn in Iraq right now. that just defies logic.
i don't give a f**k about NATO. NATO operates under it's own umbrella as far as manning.
i don't care if its not an editorial or if it was written on the back of a napkin by a 3rd grader you are willing to put the entire credibility of the ground Commanders in Afghanistan on the line over one vague sentence in the paper. why anyone would do that only tells me they really aren't interested in a solution because it's not their war. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Tell me something, would he be sending ANY troops out if it weren't for Bush's escalation plan? |
who the knows what he would have them do. thats a cynical question, but apparently he doesn't want them in Afghanistan. |
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