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Changing key in ableton...
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| Clovis |
I've found the transpose knob usefull for nudging tracks into a particular key, sort of like on the DJM-800. Sometimes it sounds like ass, but sometimes you can nudge it over to make two tracks fit which normally wouldnt...cool tool. If you're looking for it, its right next to the track gain in Live.
This brings me to another question, do bigger DJs do this often? Seeing Sasha on NYE, he played a few tracks that I did not instantly recognize (despite owning them) because their key was slightly different, as if he was doing just that in order to be able to easily match his tracks with those digweed was playing... |
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| nefardec |
In my jungles mix I changed key twice down or up a half step (probably wouldn't go too much more) mixing into and out of tracks that were two fifths apart in root note. One of the times I changed the key in the middle of a transition into another song: the first track was em, the second was dm. I had the track I was mixing into up two semitones to match the em track. At a key place in the music, where there wasn't really much going on except for a raging bassline, I started some light filtering to give the transition some some slight movement like when you first start a free fall, and then a couple beats before the phrase ended I eqed more sharply on both tracks and then dropped the root note of both to Dm on the beat, and it came across pretty nicely, it has the effect of "darkening" the bassline, definitely adds some energy. It definitely adds some drama to a mix and it signals a change I think.
I have experimented with automating transposition over time in the clip envelopes, but have concluded that it sounds quite bad.
In the same mix above I played the main mix of rodamaal - insomnia at the beginning, and then at the end I transposed it a fifth up, cut the lows out of it and overlaid a loop of the siren-like line over Javith & Salazar - Orinoco (Sergio Ferandez Remix)
I am really interested in messing with transposition in a set as you can tell. As far as hearing the big djs doing it, I can't say I have heard it often. Then again I have seen only PvD and Sasha use ableton, and only twice for PvD and once for Sasha |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| i dont think there's anything wrong with using the transpose function in ableton...like already mentioned it can sound quite bad if done out of taste or if overused which is why DJ's should always be harmonically conscious but its definately a useful tool. a full-step up in a good spot (possibly a modulation mix) can give a complete facelift to the energy on the floor. |
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| BOOsTER |
What algorithm do you use?
i know that with re-pitch the transpose doesn't work...and the other ones usually damage the hihats sound pretty much... :(
the beats and tones etc just don't seem to sound very good for a whole track...so you use the complex one and try to compensate with a master EQ or compression or what? |
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| nefardec |
| i always use complex mode with high quality on |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i always use complex mode with high quality on |
PLUS ONE....im not much of an ableton person. but when I do use it i learned that with "beat" mode even if your warping is perfect the beatmatching is always warbly...so complex mode is the best. |
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| biegs |
| im pretty sure steve porter transposes some of the tracks he plays |
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