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How to mix in tracks with an "irregular beat"? (pg. 2)
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yes, but if even 2 different kicks confuse you how do you expect to make that work? |
I guess you were talking to just him and not in general then lol
Usually I can get by fine without having to just match percussion or something else... |
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| starboy |
| I think once you've developed a good skill for beatmatching you can match just about anything, it just sort of gets imbedded in your brain so breakbeat or any weird track doesn't confuse you. |
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| AnomalyConcept |
| Just find the groove of the breakbeat track; listen to different tracks until you can easily find the straight 4/4 beat (or whatever time signature the particular track is in) and beatmatch with that. You may even subconsciously do that already- see if your foot taps or you nod or whatever in time with the track. |
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| ASFSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Don't listen to the beat, listen to the clap/snare and other percs and it's just like mixing any other kind of music. |
this is probably the best way, but you also have to know where the downbeat is, which isn't a problem. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| From Memory Alucard remix of U2 - With or Without You was a ed up breakbeat that I found ver difficult to mix. |
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| RJT |
| Also, I think once you really know what a solid beatmatch sounds like, a lot of this just falls into place. :) |
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| Zild |
| It's really easy. Count to yourself 1,2,3,4 while adjusting the pitch fader to keep the music in line (there is almost always a snare/clap on the 2 and 4 and you can hear them coming a mile away). Personally I started out as a underground hip-hop and breaks DJ so I guess it is hard for me to see what the fuss is all about. |
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| Inertia |
i'd recommend you sit at home and do nothing but try to mix breaks for a little while. it will get rid of that pesky '1 2 3 4' habit you get at the beginning of spinning.
look at it this way, 'k' means kick, 'S' means snare. (you do know what a snare sounds like, right? :p)
normal 4x4:
k---k---k---k---
basic breakbeat:
k---S---k-k-S---
these are two different structures for 4/4 music. but if they're at the same tempo, it will be no problem. lining up the kicks can be a bit of a bitch at first, so listen for the snares. i actually learned to mix break with the Burufunk Mix of Somnambulist as well :)
at the intro, where it goes BOOM, PACK... that PACK sound, is the snare. if i remember correctly, it is on the 2nd beat. so, grab your vinyl (or cue up your CD) on that sound, as if it were a kick. when you want to let go, let it go on 2, instead of 1. use these sounds to determine whether you're going too fast or too slow, correct accordingly.
if it becomes a huge mess, don't worry. correcting will be a bit of a problem at first with breaks, just cue up again, release on 2, re-pitch, 'till you got it. |
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| Andryuha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
i'd recommend you sit at home and do nothing but try to mix breaks for a little while. it will get rid of that pesky '1 2 3 4' habit you get at the beginning of spinning.
look at it this way, 'k' means kick, 'S' means snare. (you do know what a snare sounds like, right? :p)
normal 4x4:
k---k---k---k---
basic breakbeat:
k---S---k-k-S---
these are two different structures for 4/4 music. but if they're at the same tempo, it will be no problem. lining up the kicks can be a bit of a bitch at first, so listen for the snares. i actually learned to mix break with the Burufunk Mix of Somnambulist as well :)
at the intro, where it goes BOOM, PACK... that PACK sound, is the snare. if i remember correctly, it is on the 2nd beat. so, grab your vinyl (or cue up your CD) on that sound, as if it were a kick. when you want to let go, let it go on 2, instead of 1. use these sounds to determine whether you're going too fast or too slow, correct accordingly.
if it becomes a huge mess, don't worry. correcting will be a bit of a problem at first with breaks, just cue up again, release on 2, re-pitch, 'till you got it. |
Awesome!
Great success! I have successfully mixed this tune between Tukan - light a reinbow (ATB mix) and Kyau and Albert - are you fine. Talk about lucky. I say that because I've only been mixing for a bit over a month. |
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| Tony Morello |
when mixing breaks, or any genre for that matter, listen to the high end like the hi hats and snares which will almost always be on a proper 4/4 count
and when i say any genre for that matter, don't listen to the bass and kicks when beatmatching house and trance, listen to the high end as it's more precise and it cuts through the noise better
bass and kicks tend to be a little sloppy and don't lend themsleves well to tight mixing |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
when mixing ... any genre for that matter, listen to the high end like the hi hats and snares which will almost always be on a proper 4/4 count
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This is great advice. If you beatmatch using the high end you will find your mixes will be much tighter than if you're intentionally listening for the bass drum. |
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| DJ Z |
hey dont forget to look for convenient spots in the track for the transition - 'knowing' your tracks. spots where the phrasing is easier to hear. after u mix them enough you'll know how to manipulate them best.
now, a convenient breakdown in the middle of the track is probably too early to fade to the next song so dont go overboard with this.
lastly, you might be able to use technology to your advantage:
if that 'sweet spot' in the track doesnt last long enough 4 u to transition to the next song, you can try setting a loop there and you'll have all the time in the world to fade out. BUT as simple as it may sound, there are pitfalls to this technique :
--- when you set a loop on the outgoing song, the tempo is going to change on you because it's not a perfect loop...so now you have to synch up the next track again (probably +- 0.2 to 0.5% change) and depending on your skill level this is going to take time...and depending on the quality of the loop, people will start scratching their heads :)
dont use technology as a crutch. but you do need to learn it's limits & what you can and cant do with it... |
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