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Smoking rooms to be allowed at Ontario Casinos??? Isn't that supposed to be illegal?? (pg. 2)
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| Tordan |
yeah that is complete BS.
| quote: | | Watson said the casinos are not subject to the same rules as restaurants and bars because their primary purpose is to provide gambling, not serve food and drink. |
Well in that case, restaurants and bars should change their "primary purpose" to serve music. People just happen to eat and drink while listening to the music. |
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| Jayx1 |
you guys dont get it... obviously when the government is allowing smoking in their casino its because they are losing money and jobs are being lost because of the law.
So the answer is clear. Allow smoking in these establishments. private AND public. Allow the owners to decide who they want to cater to. And let the market decide whether smoking is allowed or not. If you know that smoking happens in a club or casino it is your right not to patronize/work there. The fact that the government cant even abide by its own rules says a lot about the rules themselves.
lets get back to treating adults like adults instead of making laws of convenience and babying everyone into doing what a a few people think is "right"
PS: just to remind everyone im a non smoker. |
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| Form&Funktion |
| As long as the doors lock from the outside, I'm fine with it. |
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| activate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I can't wait until October when we can vote mcguinty and his clown posse out of office. |
doubt that's going to happen.
no one wants the conservatives back in power, and the NDP don't stand a chance in hell.
I for one like there not being any smoking anywhere... and I smoke. While it is pretty hypocritical to allow it in casinos.. i don't gamble so I don't care :p |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
you guys dont get it... obviously when the government is allowing smoking in their casino its because they are losing money and jobs are being lost because of the law.
So the answer is clear. Allow smoking in these establishments. private AND public. Allow the owners to decide who they want to cater to. And let the market decide whether smoking is allowed or not. If you know that smoking happens in a club or casino it is your right not to patronize/work there. The fact that the government cant even abide by its own rules says a lot about the rules themselves.
lets get back to treating adults like adults instead of making laws of convenience and babying everyone into doing what a a few people think is "right"
PS: just to remind everyone im a non smoker. |
first post and you're back to your old tricks of exaggeration and presenting opinions as fact.
the answer is not "clear" and these laws are not what "a few people want".
I would suggest that one answer is to not allow these hypocritical exceptions and stick with the legislation...or, better yet (IMHO), change the legislation back to allow for ventilated smoking rooms or these outdoor shelters.
letting the market determine everything is idiotic...the market is not some perfect concept that is exempt from manipulation and being controlled by less-than-noble powers.
btw, the fact that you are a non-smoker is irrelevant...if you're a small business owner or employee who's impacted by the no-smoking laws, you're *supposed* lack of bias just went out the window, didn't it? ;) |
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| HypnotEyez |
well casinos have no clocks and no windows..they really don't want you looking at the time or that its already morning outside...and you're still drunk and wasting money
so when people get out for a smoke the realization of how much time they've actually spent in the place money-wasting kicks in...and they go home
thats my theory at least.
money talks. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
The government found a loop hole in its own law....go figure.
Although I do see their point.....if the room is designated for smokers and no employee is forced to go in there then I see no problem with it....if the same could be said for the private businesses then they too should be allowed to have smoking rooms.
I know my time at the casino is much shorter since I can't smoke at the table. I use to go to the casino for 10 hours in a day once a month....now....I have gone twice in the last 10 months and both times I was there for about 2 hours. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Although I do see their point.....if the room is designated for smokers and no employee is forced to go in there then I see no problem with it....if the same could be said for the private businesses then they too should be allowed to have smoking rooms.
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That's bull. Someone has to empty the ash trays. Someone has to clean the room. Someone has to empty the garbage. Employees have to go in there. By the government's logic any bar or resturant could have a smoking enclosure so long as there is no service in there, however, in practice they are not allowing this. |
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| shanny |
When you go into these smoking rooms, be careful not to expose yourself to a lifetime worth of smoke in three days.
Look away I'm Hideous! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
That's bull. Someone has to empty the ash trays. Someone has to clean the room. Someone has to empty the garbage. Employees have to go in there. By the government's logic any bar or resturant could have a smoking enclosure so long as there is no service in there, however, in practice they are not allowing this. |
I agree that at some point employees are going to enter the room. The question is...are they being forced to enter the room? If the employee is going into the room voluntarily then there is no issue...the employer would have to advise the employees on the risks of second hand smoke and would have to advise them they cannot be forced into going into the room. If no employee is willing to enter the room then the employer will have to clean up the garbage and ash trays themself. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I agree that at some point employees are going to enter the room. The question is...are they being forced to enter the room? If the employee is going into the room voluntarily then there is no issue...the employer would have to advise the employees on the risks of second hand smoke and would have to advise them they cannot be forced into going into the room. If no employee is willing to enter the room then the employer will have to clean up the garbage and ash trays themself. |
The same argument was made by bar and resturant owners... if they have wait staff that volunteers to work the smoking sections they should be allowed to... the government dismissed it out of hand. FYI, the employer is not even allowed to be in a smoking environment... and I can't see Dalton cleaning garbage or ash trays. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The same argument was made by bar and resturant owners... if they have wait staff that volunteers to work the smoking sections they should be allowed to... the government dismissed it out of hand. FYI, the employer is not even allowed to be in a smoking environment... and I can't see Dalton cleaning garbage or ash trays. |
Dalton would get my vote if he picked up my cigarette butts. |
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