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| echosystm |
Well, my accoustics are terrible and theres nothing I can do about it due to my living arrangement. OR IS THERE?
The plan is to build a room inside a room which I can take apart and transport to a new house if necessary. A number of pine frames will be built, filled with rockwooll and covered with some material. These panels will then be bolted together to form the room. The floor of the booth will be laid upon neoprene pads to separate it from the room entirely.
Sound PROOFING is not really an issue. I'm not worried about sound getting out, and there is not much sound to get back in - only that which is reflected back from the main room. The whole idea of this project would just be to achieve decent acoustics. For this reason, I would leave the faces of the panels open.
Ventilation will be covered by an external aircon with baffled ducts. So theres nothing to worry about in that regard.
Now, is this a stupid and totally impossible idea? Or is it within the realm of possibility? The room would be roughly 2 x 2.56 x 3.08m (Height x Width x Length).
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| farris |
So you basically want to build a room out of basstraps?
Won't it sound completely dead and dull that way?
Maybe better to just make/buy a couple of traps, which you can easily transport around
when you eventually decide to move to a new house. Place these on some 'strategic' places
(corners where walls meet, including where three of them come together like walls to roof).
Anyway first you need to figure out which frequencies are giving you a bad time so know what to treat.
If it's your low-end --> Basstraps. But mostly it'll be a combination.
Basstraps need to be made out of atleast 4"/100mm thick rigid fibre glass not the standard Rockwool.
I forgot the density but will try to find it out.
And if sound leaking out isn't an issue, then separating the booth from the room isn't really necessary IMO.
Watch out with the fibre glass though for health issues when those particles start flying around and you breath them in.
Better to cover the panels instead of leaving them open.
The best advice I can give you however is to head over to the Ethan Winer Acoustics Forum
and ask the same question including the picture. He's very responsive and can give you the best advice :)
- farris |
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| echosystm |
Thats the problem, my parents are being total nazi's and wont let me put basstraps in my room. They think they'll look ugly (which they will lol).
I am worried about over deadening the booth. BUT, I figured once I put in all my gear and have a bit of stuff behind me, there will be sufficient solid objects to give me "SOME" natural reverb.
The other option was to build the panels as proper plasterboard covered walls, so that no sound actually leaves the booth at all, then treat the booth as if it was a room in itself. |
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| farris |
If you're a bit handy, you can make the basstraps pretty nice looking.
Especially if you cover them in some nice coloured fabric.
Or some fabric that has the same colour as your room.
If you make a couple and place them in the corners,
they will at least help you get a more tight low-end (the more the better).
Maybe an option to make an example one with a colour that goes up in the room,
place that in one of the corners and show that to your parents.
Perhaps then they can decide whether or not you can go ahead and make more for the other corners.
If you're parents think that a couple of panels in the corners look ugly,
then your idea of a booth in a room made out of the same material as basstraps will be even more hilarious :toothless
But then again, as I said in my earlier post. First figure out what needs to be treated.
You only say that your "accoustics are terrible".
What does not sound right in your ears? Is it all muffled, too bright?
If you know the answer to that, you can target the problem more easily.
Then shuffle some stuff around. Cover up some walls with random paintings/posters,
put some couch in your room or a small carpet on the floor etc. Basstraps yes/no.
There are more things to take into account also like the shape of your room, size of the room etc.
Don't forget that if you have a small room and you're monitors are huge...well won't work :)
Maybe you can fix some of it in a more simple way.
Anyway, good luck!
- farris |
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| emc^2 |
dude, sorry to say that but that room design looks appropriately like a coffin. If anything, you can take these pannels and place them against the wall, which would create some sound isolation. Your best bet, though is to use proper insulation gear that was made specifically for that purpose. Try searching online - you may find non-branded stuff, non-fireprofed, which will be substantially cheaper than brand name stuff. Oh, and consider this - if they give you crap about bass traps, think what kind of crap you will get for playing your music???
I don't want to sound like an auralex rep, as this will be the 2nd time I mention them in 1 day, but still. I use their stuff and I find it pretty decent. I like the looks of them as well, definitely beats having a silly coffin in the middle of the room. See some ideas here:
http://www.auralex.com/category_bas..._bass_traps.asp
later! |
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| echosystm |
Oh, I left out one important piece of the puzzle!
This is going out in the shed.
:P
I've shown my parents RealTraps, all kinds of acoustic foams, everything. They won't budge. They have this utopian idea of the perfect new house, it's getting a bit crazy tbh. "We want it all streamlined". All I'll have in my new room is a bed and a desk. lol
...a bed and desk of their choice i might add.
welcome to my family :D
So, that pretty much rules out treating the actual room as standard. Why? Because theres tools, piles of wood and a car in the shed. I would have to isolate myself from all that :) |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
dude, sorry to say that but that room design looks appropriately like a coffin. If anything, you can take these pannels and place them against the wall, which would create some sound isolation. Your best bet, though is to use proper insulation gear that was made specifically for that purpose. Try searching online - you may find non-branded stuff, non-fireprofed, which will be substantially cheaper than brand name stuff. Oh, and consider this - if they give you crap about bass traps, think what kind of crap you will get for playing your music???
I don't want to sound like an auralex rep, as this will be the 2nd time I mention them in 1 day, but still. I use their stuff and I find it pretty decent. I like the looks of them as well, definitely beats having a silly coffin in the middle of the room. See some ideas here:
http://www.auralex.com/category_bas..._bass_traps.asp
later! |
MoPads are the only decent thing Auralex make, the rest is over priced crap. Sorry man, but you clearly have no idea about acoustics. Also, no panels will really provide any ISOLATION up against a wall, you ahve to float the room and build double walls for that :P
Those panels I have shown contain a good density rockwool/fibreglass, which is basically the best (for the price) absorbant material you can buy. Specifically design "Acoustic Insulation" products are usually for isolation - to be placed within a wall, not for acoustic treatment.
I'm not biting your haed of, and have nothing against you, but if youre going to comment and say peoples ideas are silly you might want to make sure you know what youre talking about first. ;) |
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| aquila |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
They have this utopian idea of the perfect new house... All I'll have in my new room is a bed and a desk. lol
...a bed and desk of their choice i might add.
welcome to my family :D
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Tell them to off and move out? |
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| echosystm |
It's cool, ive got it sorted. I'm gonna build some traps at my mates house, then hit them with a lovely suprise when they get home one day.
They'll lock me in my room and force me to eat cornbread for a few weeks, but they're too tight ass to throw away perfectly good rockwool hahahaha |
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