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You Corrupt Republicans Just Can't Help Yourselves
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| MisterOpus1 |
The Democrats won back Congress based on two categories:
1. Iraq
2. Oversight and corruption
Ethics reform was a means to curb the corruption under the K-Street project created by Delay Inc., as well as major lack of oversight on lobbyist activities.
Welp, guess what you ing Republicans did to the very first bill you received in the Senate that directly addresses this problem which got your asses kicked out of the majority?:
| quote: | Republicans Halt Ethics Legislation
Senators Sought Virtual Line-Item Veto
Senate Republicans scuttled broad legislation last night to curtail lobbyists' influence and tighten congressional ethics rules, refusing to let the bill pass without a vote on an unrelated measure that would give President Bush virtual line-item-veto power.
The bill could be brought back up later this year. Indeed, Democrats will try one last time today to break the impasse. But its unexpected collapse last night infuriated Democrats and the government watchdog groups that had been pushing it since the lobbying scandals that rocked the last Congress. Proponents charged that Republicans had used the spending-control measure as a ruse to thwart ethics rules they dared not defeat in a straight vote.
"It's as obvious as the sun coming up somewhere in this world that they tried to kill this bill," a furious Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said last night in an interview. "And all 21 Republican senators up for reelection are going to have to explain how they brought down the most significant reform ever to come before this Congress. They brought this baby down.".................
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1702443_pf.html |
Nice job you corrupt s. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
The Democrats won back Congress based on two categories:
1. Iraq
2. Oversight and corruption
Ethics reform was a means to curb the corruption under the K-Street project created by Delay Inc., as well as major lack of oversight on lobbyist activities.
Welp, guess what you ing Republicans did to the very first bill you received in the Senate that directly addresses this problem which got your asses kicked out of the majority?:
Nice job you corrupt s. |
And there are NO corrupt ing dems. That's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, no? Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
The Democrats won back Congress based on two categories:
1. Iraq
2. Oversight and corruption
Ethics reform was a means to curb the corruption under the K-Street project created by Delay Inc., as well as major lack of oversight on lobbyist activities.
Welp, guess what you ing Republicans did to the very first bill you received in the Senate that directly addresses this problem which got your asses kicked out of the majority?:
Nice job you corrupt s. |
This country's government is run by a diopoly, which is pretty damn close to a monopoly. What we need is a viable, moderate, and progressive third or fourth party. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
And there are NO corrupt ing dems. That's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, no? Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. |
I take it from your answer that you cannot justify the actions of your Republicans deliberately blocking this ethics reform legislation, thereby allowing them to continue doing exactly what they were voted out of doing from the previous election? |
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| josh4 |
| Everyone whos surprised say aye. |
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
And there are NO corrupt ing dems. That's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, no? Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. |
Of course there are, but if you put them both on a 'scale' of corruptness the Republicans would break it. |
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| Magnetonium |
Any new information here? I guess the good thing is, the denial is finally over. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I take it from your answer that you cannot justify the actions of your Republicans deliberately blocking this ethics reform legislation, thereby allowing them to continue doing exactly what they were voted out of doing from the previous election? |
Uh, no. Just pointing out how one-sided you sound. You make it sound like Dems can do no wrong and that corruption is only something that exists one one side of the aisle. It's funny to hear Harry Reid of all people talking about killing a bill when he gloated about he killed the Patriot Bill. Dems have to see a lot of this coming. GOP is in the minority and clearly are pulling whatever levers they can to try and still get some of their own agendas on the docket. I'm not picking sides and saying their tactics are right, but your rant about corruptness seems a bit over-the-top and one-dimensional, IMHO. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Uh, no. Just pointing out how one-sided you sound. You make it sound like Dems can do no wrong and that corruption is only something that exists one one side of the aisle. It's funny to hear Harry Reid of all people talking about killing a bill when he gloated about he killed the Patriot Bill. |
With good reason. I believe we discussed that bill's renewal previously. Shall we bring that up again, because I don't think that bolsters your point very well.
| quote: | | Dems have to see a lot of this coming. GOP is in the minority and clearly are pulling whatever levers they can to try and still get some of their own agendas on the docket. I'm not picking sides and saying their tactics are right, but your rant about corruptness seems a bit over-the-top and one-dimensional, IMHO. |
Straw man. Being in the minority to express one's views is not the issue. I commend any party in the minority in expressing their viewpoints, and when it comes down to major viewpoints that they feel uncompromising upon, even taking the filibuster.
There can be no excuse, however, for stopping such a much needed bill on ethics reform in a time when our lobbying industry essentially has Congress by the balls and our Congress (and the people that voted them in) wants to take some of that power and influence away from them. There can be no excuse for Judd Gregg (R) to deliberately insert a poison pill clause in the bill for a line item veto that bears no relevance to the original bill, and among other things:
*Mr. Gregg admitted during the floor session that what he really wanted was to get his bill "to conference," an impossible demand on its face; and
*Mr. Gregg's rejection of Mr. Reid's offer to take up the Gregg Proposal in full before the Easter recess.
Are you stating that Republicans are being obstructionists for the sake of what, just being ing obstructionists? If you believe that Democrats did the same for similar purposes WITHOUT reason of differences in philosophy or beliefs in Republican bills proposed, please explain with examples. If not, I cannot see any other reason but to conclude that the Republicans want to continue having the same ethically challenged policies in place. Can you? |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
With good reason. I believe we discussed that bill's renewal previously. Shall we bring that up again, because I don't think that bolsters your point very well.
Straw man. Being in the minority to express one's views is not the issue. I commend any party in the minority in expressing their viewpoints, and when it comes down to major viewpoints that they feel uncompromising upon, even taking the filibuster.
There can be no excuse, however, for stopping such a much needed bill on ethics reform in a time when our lobbying industry essentially has Congress by the balls and our Congress (and the people that voted them in) wants to take some of that power and influence away from them. There can be no excuse for Judd Gregg (R) to deliberately insert a poison pill clause in the bill for a line item veto that bears no relevance to the original bill, and among other things:
*Mr. Gregg admitted during the floor session that what he really wanted was to get his bill "to conference," an impossible demand on its face; and
*Mr. Gregg's rejection of Mr. Reid's offer to take up the Gregg Proposal in full before the Easter recess.
Are you stating that Republicans are being obstructionists for the sake of what, just being ing obstructionists? If you believe that Democrats did the same for similar purposes WITHOUT reason of differences in philosophy or beliefs in Republican bills proposed, please explain with examples. If not, I cannot see any other reason but to conclude that the Republicans want to continue having the same ethically challenged policies in place. Can you? |
Nope. They are ethically devoid of any substance. Just like everyone else in Washington. |
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| Rhuckus |
| quote: | Originally posted by josh4
Everyone whos surprised say aye. |
Nay motherf*cker NAY!
But I gotta agree with Shakka as well: both major parties are filthy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
This country's government is run by a diopoly, which is pretty damn close to a monopoly. What we need is a viable, moderate, and progressive third or fourth party. |
+1 mate. Ask yourself, carefully, what is the purpose of a political party? the R's and D's exist to keep the R's and D's in power. Two entities completely consumed with a lust for self preservation damn the costs. Sound like power consolidation via "poisonous affiliations" to anyone else? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I take it from your answer that you cannot justify the actions of your Republicans deliberately blocking this ethics reform legislation, thereby allowing them to continue doing exactly what they were voted out of doing from the previous election? |
Nope, I'm fed up with both parties. That is why I actually voted for democrats when it came to the house and senate, but just that. Both parties have lost sight of what really matters. You can't call just one party currupt, and all that, because the other party is just as guilty.
Take for instance this little tuna thing. Source
| quote: | GOP hits Pelosi’s ‘hypocrisy’ on wage bill
By Charles Hurt
House Republicans yesterday declared “something fishy” about the major tuna company in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco district being exempted from the minimum-wage increase that Democrats approved this week.
“I am shocked,” said Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican and his party’s chief deputy whip, noting that Mrs. Pelosi campaigned heavily on promises of honest government. “Now we find out that she is exempting hometown companies from minimum wage. This is exactly the hypocrisy and double talk that we have come to expect from the Democrats.”
On Wednesday, the House voted to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 per hour….” |
Both parties do things that the other on doesn't like. |
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