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Chavez demands an emergency OPEC meeting to discuss the drop in oil prices (pg. 2)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
But still, our democracy dollars are paying for the communist regime. |
the worlds democracy dollars are propping up his regime, ok fine...just like China (especially China)...just like Russia...just like Zimbabwe. |
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| Magnetonium |
I wouldn't put Russia in that list, they have their own model of democracy. The problems with freedom in Russia is because mostly communists still run the country and they still think its soviet-ing-union while forgetting that there's something called democractic constitution.
Don't worry about Russia, its the real dictatorships like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan are a concern. However, the forces of American democracy have decided to allow China, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - all these countries have horrible human rights records - to live happily just because they're American allies. So much for the war on terror and spread of democracy around the world. And there's many more dictatorships that United States calls its "friends" and "allies". Yeah ... cool. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
However, the forces of American democracy have decided to allow China, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - all these countries have horrible human rights records - to live happily just because they're American allies. So much for the war on terror and spread of democracy around the world. And there's many more dictatorships that United States calls its "friends" and "allies". Yeah ... cool.[/COLOR] |
thats fine with my country, as long as they don't invade and gas their neighbors and countrymen and become haven for suicidal fundamentalists |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
thats fine with my country, as long as they don't invade and gas their neighbors and countrymen and become haven for suicidal fundamentalists |
Hahaha ... Al-Qaeda is not even from Iran. Then all suicide bombings are not Iranian in nature at all, though you might consider Hezbollah as Iranian, but Iranians are not blowing themselves up in Middle East, at least not lately just to make sure I dont get the facts crossed-up.
And what are you saying about being gassing neighbours? It was the freaking Americans that in 1980s gave Saddam the weapons, including chemical/mustard gas, to use against Iran and his own Iraqi people! Geesh. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Hahaha ... Al-Qaeda is not even from Iran. Then all suicide bombings are not Iranian in nature at all, though you might consider Hezbollah as Iranian, but Iranians are not blowing themselves up in Middle East, at least not lately just to make sure I dont get the facts crossed-up. |
i'm talking about Iraq.
| quote: | | And what are you saying about being gassing neighbours? It was the freaking Americans that in 1980s gave Saddam the weapons, including chemical/mustard gas, to use against Iran and his own Iraqi people! Geesh. |
that was the Germans and the Chinese.
| quote: | | According Iraq's report to the UN, the know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained from firms in such countries as: the United States, West Germany, the United Kingdom, France and China. [color=yellow]By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i'm talking about Iraq.
that was the Germans and the Chinese bird. |
I was talking about Iraq until you brought Iran into this.
And pardon me, it was American allies and China who supplied Iraq with chemical weapons. Yay. And Americans couldn't care less because they gave a load of military equipment to Iraqis as well to fight Iran. |
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| Magnetonium |
bird, here's something you'd like to see, courtesy of Wikipedia, which makes United States just as guilty:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_a...ass_destruction
"Despite the removal of Saddam and his regime by American forces, there is deep resentment and anger in Iran that it was Western companies (West Germany, France) that helped Iraq develop its chemical weapons arsenal in the first place and that the world did nothing to punish Iraq for its use of chemical weapons throughout the war. For example, the US and UK blocked condemnation of Iraq's known chemical weapons attacks at the UN Security Council. No resolution was passed during the war that specifically criticised Iraq's use of chemical weapons, despite the wishes of the majority to condemn this use. On 21 March 1986 the United Nation Security Council recognised that "chemical weapons on many occasions have been used by Iraqi forces against Iranian forces"; this statement was opposed by the United States, the sole country to vote against it in the Security Council (the UK abstained). [2]" |
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| star-traveller |
If you're appealing to lack of consistency in a decision making by the US, you won't find it in a history of any leader of any country, especially in the West.
Everything dictates by the business means here. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
... But on the market, when signing deals, exports, he charges the market price. And he wants to keep it there. Its his oil. ...
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Holy --how do you figure? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Holy --how do you figure? |
His country's oil. Thanks for highlighting it, Mr. English Teacher. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I wouldn't put Russia in that list, they have their own model of democracy. The problems with freedom in Russia is because mostly communists still run the country and they still think its soviet-ing-union while forgetting that there's something called democractic constitution.
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So Russia is a unique case, therefore they should be treated like a special child?
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Don't worry about Russia, its the real dictatorships like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan are a concern. However, the forces of American democracy have decided to allow China, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia - all these countries have horrible human rights records - to live happily just because they're American allies. So much for the war on terror and spread of democracy around the world. And there's many more dictatorships that United States calls its "friends" and "allies". Yeah ... cool. |
They let them live freely because the US gets what they want from them and they don't bother their neighbors like Russia does. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
So Russia is a unique case, therefore they should be treated like a special child?
They let them live freely because the US gets what they want from them and they don't bother their neighbors like Russia does. |
Who is Russia bothering? You? Russia should be treated fairly, and its not. Some of America's allies, like China are illegally occupying other lands, as in Tibet and are suppressing Muslim groups in northwestern areas of the country. Then the countless human rights violations. No democracy. Horrible dictatorships and personality cults in Turkmenistan, similar to North Korea.
Yet in the media Russia is "steering away from democracy" while I-dont-give-a- about other countries attitude persists in American media. Its funny how former Soviet reppublics, which for most part have bad human rights records, are bigger allies of America.
Russia is not bother Ukraine, Georgia or Belarus if that's what you're thinking. They're switching to an world economic standard relations with their neighbours which is pissing Russia's neighbours off because these countries' regimes have been living off Russian financial support, subsidies and cheap gas and oil. Well, the free ride is over. Russian government for once realized that the money is better for its own people, who need it too, instead of feeding other regimes which are turning anti-Russian. So thats why the gas and oil prices are becoming more on the world economic levels. |
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