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Flight ban for anti-Bush T-shirt (pg. 2)
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| Sunsnail |
Nothing surprising here. It's the same as a fancy restaurant enforcing dress code. Not allowing you into a fancy restaurant because of your dress would not be a violation of free speech.
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Maybe the airline will stop being political, and start putting customers in priority view. |
That's what they're doing in the situation. |
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| tubby |
i found it quite funny seeing the OP mis-spell moron :)
you can call him an idiot for pushing the point by wearing a shirt he knew would cause trouble, but that was the whole purpose. To a great many people bush is a terrorist, how is that political statement a threat to security of the plane?
On it's own this issue is not a big deal, but with people being removed from planes for daring to speak in non-english languages, or looking non-anglo, this is all part of a dangerous precedent.
As for airlines being a law unto themselves, that's just rubbish. They do have a duty of care in regards to security, and we are accepting a lower level of freedom in many ways to achieve this, but they are not exempt from the laws of society. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
Nothing surprising here. It's the same as a fancy restaurant enforcing dress code. Not allowing you into a fancy restaurant because you of your dress would not be a violation of free speech.
That's what they're doing in the situation. |
They do let others wear shirts like "I hate hippies", or "Disco Sucks", for example, which will offend some people. But they do single out political views. |
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| Lilith |
Dozens of cases of people being denied flights due to something offensive and non-political on a tshirt, they do it all the time. Even for things like a 'Meet the Fockers' tshirt which was from the movie, heavy metal shirts, satirical tshirts with sexual innuendo and swearing.
They don't like your tshirt, you dont fly. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Dozens of cases of people being denied flights due to something offensive and non-political on a tshirt, they do it all the time. Even for things like a 'Meet the Fockers' tshirt which was from the movie, heavy metal shirts, satirical tshirts with sexual innuendo and swearing.
They don't like your tshirt, you dont fly. |
Dam ... if I wear all red they might think I'm a communist and kick me off the flight. EVERYONE, wear all white or black and smile at all times!!! |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
I don't see you people defending the Freedom Of Speech here. |
some of us realize freedom of speech is irrelavent here. there is no 1st Amendment in an airport or airplane no matter what country youre in.
| quote: | | I recall seeing quite different opinions after Denmark's newspaper published Muhamed's cartoons. |
you're waaayy generalizing to fit your flawed free speech argument.
apples and oranges. when was the last time someone was killed with a newspaper? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
I don't see you people defending the Freedom Of Speech here.
I recall seeing quite different opinions after Denmark's newspaper published Muhamed's cartoons. |
Really?
Try saying, "Hi Jack" or joke about a bomb and see where your Freedom of Speech gets you.
You conveniently forget that with freedom comes responsibility.. |
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| Zild |
| Sure it is stupid but they're a business and they have the right to refuse their services. It has nothing to do with the first amendment and the right of free speech. |
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| MrSquirrel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
some of us realize freedom of speech is irrelavent here. there is no 1st Amendment in an airport or airplane no matter what country youre in.
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This marks one of the few times in human history where I and Q have ever agreed on anything.
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Really?
Try saying, "Hi Jack" or joke about a bomb and see where your Freedom of Speech gets you.
You conveniently forget that with freedom comes responsibility.. |
So...
What exactly does freedom mean? :D
Anyone know? :wtf: |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Sure it is stupid but they're a business and they have the right to refuse their services. It has nothing to do with the first amendment and the right of free speech. |
Also the fact it's fairly much endemic in all airlines all over the world and besides, who wants to spend 20+ hours locked in a plane with complete tossers out to irritate people?
Theres a number of psychological reasons why they don't want you being openly colourful about your opinions and letting everyone else know about it, because after 20hours, bored, probably sick of being locked up with strangers you don't know it's going to chafe on someones nerves and then it's going to turn into a circus.
Minds wander, tempers fray and people get pissed off at being stuck there and they're not going to pull over and kick someone out halfway through for being irritating or the source of irritation for anyone else. It might not even be deliberate, it might even be meant in jest but after spending enough time with them fairly much anything will set people off.
Just watch the movies
Listen to music
Eat the horrible food
Shut your mouth
Dont bother anyone else who doesnt want any interaction with you
Keep your opinion to yourself
I've probably got enough frequent flyer points to put my grandkids into orbit and I don't lose my temper too easily. But if you stuck me in a seat for a London to Sydney flight next to someone who's 55 years old wearing a tshirt a kid would wear, even I'm liable to shank him with a emryboard around the 16-18hr mark just on the principle of it :haha: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| I can't believe everyone here's actually defending this crap. Pathetic. |
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