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Israeli Troops Kill 10-Year-Old Palestinian Girl (pg. 5)
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| Dopey |
FireStarter, there is no point in arguing with Jewlin_Z, Cyrus, and Chechnya man (magnewahtever), obviously they have a personal connection with something that has happened. It is very sad that humans cannot forgive the acts of a minority of a population and will take out their aggression on the masses. You and I did not shoot their 2nd cousin, but they associate our support of Israel/Jews with the acts they are so very much affected by. This is human nature, and the reason I don't foresee any peace in that area of the world for many years.
We have to look at it through their lens. If my cousin or my friend's brother, or my teacher's son was killed in some refugee camp by a stray IDF bullet, I would spout the same rhetoric. You cannot listen with anger. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
So that's your rebuttal?
Calling names?
How typical; now grow up. |
I don't need to rebutt a word you're saying since you almost never, if not never, address a single thing anyone says, let alone present a counter argument. But it's kinda funny to see you desperately dodging and sidestepping everything only to post some of lame comeback, if you can call it that. Actually, it's kind of sad, because I really don't take any pleasure in being reminded how pathetic some people can be. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
FireStarter, there is no point in arguing with Jewlin_Z, Cyrus, and Chechnya man (magnewahtever), obviously they have a personal connection with something that has happened. It is very sad that humans cannot forgive the acts of a minority of a population and will take out their aggression on the masses. You and I did not shoot their 2nd cousin, but they associate our support of Israel/Jews with the acts they are so very much affected by. This is human nature, and the reason I don't foresee any peace in that area of the world for many years.
We have to look at it through their lens. If my cousin or my friend's brother, or my teacher's son was killed in some refugee camp by a stray IDF bullet, I would spout the same rhetoric. You cannot listen with anger. |
I do understand that, I really do.
However, I'm not about to let them use that as an excuse even if thats the undercurrent in everything they post (it's rather obvious).
Just because I'm not 'from the area' or 'am Islamic' doesn't give them moral authority to browbeat and call names like some errant child.
Tolerance and understanding works both ways and if we don't work together to make it better with actual solutions then it everything is just one big bitch session with nothing moving forward.
I'm done explaining myself to people who don't have a clue what tolerance is. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
yea ur completely right "hardcore," every Jew wants to shoot every 10 year old Arab girl in the head :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
you are right,because in their ed up belief,if they can kill the children there will be less terrosists in the future. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yes because democracy is the cause of all evil...:rolleyes: |
ya we see the results of this so called democracy in Iraq everyday and it is DEF not working and yes it is causing more hate an death. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Are you really that ing stupid? |
Nope,he is beyond that. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
In this case, the two aren't terribly different. So I don't see what your point is. That's like saying don't make a political issue out of the civil rights. Ok, I guess we'll just stay quiet and it'll just take care of itself somehow. |
I'll be quite simple then.
There are thousands of kids around the world that get roped into wars, religious fueds and civil infighting around the world beyond their means to resist, argue or reason with.
Because theyre kids
They have no choice, they can't fight back, they more often than not get killed and the only time someone seems to care is when they can collect a few political brownie points to the cause.
And it's disgusting
These kids are apolitical, innocent and have no choice, they are neither volanteers, educated or capable of being pro/no anything and as such shouldnt be used as a political prop of any kind, living or dead. One child who's parents support one thing is not of any more value than the child who's parents support the diametric opposite, I am really loathe to see that you would be digging around using their deaths in this manner because it's little better than the warmongers around the world who would draft them into their miltiias for much the same reasons and ultimately caring little for how their lives end or are twisted for their aims.
Something as empowered grown ups capable of looking after ourselves we forget along the way of how utterly defenceless we where as children.
If you find a few $ spare or time to help.
http://www.amnesty.org/
They are neither political, religious and will help stop human rights abuses anywhere like kids getting killed in their parents wars, your backyard or somewhere else and they do good work regardless of who it is thats being abused. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
I'll be quite simple then.
There are thousands of kids around the world that get roped into wars, religious fueds and civil infighting around the world beyond their means to resist, argue or reason with.
Because theyre kids
They have no choice, they can't fight back, they more often than not get killed and the only time someone seems to care is when they can collect a few political brownie points to the cause.
And it's disgusting
These kids are apolitical, innocent and have no choice, they are neither volanteers, educated or capable of being pro/no anything and as such shouldnt be used as a political prop of any kind, living or dead. One child who's parents support one thing is not of any more value than the child who's parents support the diametric opposite, I am really loathe to see that you would be digging around using their deaths in this manner because it's little better than the warmongers around the world who would draft them into their miltiias for much the same reasons and ultimately caring little for how their lives end or are twisted for their aims. |
I'm a little ripped at the moment, so hopefully this will be somewhat coherent.
It's still not exactly clear to me how you're making that correlation between criticizing Israeli policy when it's a perfectly legitimate example. So speaking out about it's somehow manipulative and disrespecting their memory? I fail to see how that's the case. I think ignoring and dismissing it may more likely suit that categorization to be honest.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Something as empowered grown ups capable of looking after ourselves we forget along the way of how utterly defenceless we where as children.
If you find a few $ spare or time to help.
http://www.amnesty.org/
They are neither political, religious and will help stop human rights abuses anywhere like kids getting killed in their parents wars, your backyard or somewhere else and they do good work regardless of who it is thats being abused. |
Been there, done that, though not terribly often. Except it wasn't Amnesty, but local charities in Austin and one other international organization who's name I can't recall since I'd never heard of it before. |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you are right,because in their ed up belief,if they can kill the children there will be less terrosists in the future. |
the more children die, the more terrorists there are in the future you moron
the more people die in general the more terrorists there will be
everyone is important to someone
fool |
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| Dopey |
Would this girl have died if the Palestinians were a peaceful people that did not condone violence? Would this girl have died if Palestinians were Buddhist?
Would this girl have died if the Palestinians were a peaceful people that did not condone violence? Would this girl have died if Palestinians were Buddhist?
Would this girl have died if the Palestinians were a peaceful people that did not condone violence? Would this girl have died if Palestinians were Buddhist?
Would this girl have died if the Palestinians were a peaceful people that did not condone violence? Would this girl have died if Palestinians were Buddhist?
Would this girl have died if the Palestinians were a peaceful people that did not condone violence? Would this girl have died if Palestinians were Buddhist? |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I'm a little ripped at the moment, so hopefully this will be somewhat coherent.
It's still not exactly clear to me how you're making that correlation between criticizing Israeli policy when it's a perfectly legitimate example. So speaking out about it's somehow manipulative and disrespecting their memory? I fail to see how that's the case. I think ignoring and dismissing it may more likely suit that categorization to be honest.
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How the hell can I make this more clear?
Everytime someone puts a child in harms way or by opportunity as such uses children for this purpose of supporting a cause of conflict do you really know what that does aside from have one dead kid on the news?
It basically encourages people to do it again.
Doesnt matter the side, who they are, if they believe god has a tail and the other side doesnt, someone will do this again for the same reaction the last one got to further their arguments or conflict.
People, if they could be called as such do this deliberately.
(No, I am not even for a second to be convinced otherwise because theres something about seeing and hearing it for yourself that makes any other arguement instantly and utterly irrelevant. It's one of the few things I am not skeptical about and some scars in my psyche which will be with me for life.)
If one dead child will move someone to their side, maybe 10 more dead kids may just very well move 100. Up until the point that it numbs the viewers who will not be appalled or moved unless it is an act of such monstrous evil that someone cannot help but be moved.
That is why I do not subscribe the use of childrens deaths by politically biased people.
The children's lives and deaths cease to be anything more than a statistic in people's minds rather than the monsterous crime that it is. If you where not politically biased I would have taken to heart that you where genuinely concerned for children being ground up like raw meat in adult conflicts.
But youre not and thats quite painful to see. |
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| Dopey |
Lilith, this is not about the child to them. It is about shouting from the rooftops "Israel are child murderers!"
Otherwise, anytime an Israeli child died, they would be equally inclined to start threads about it.
It is just another bargaining chip. "Well Mr. Israeli PM, since the IDF has killed X amount children in the past 10 years, we want Y amount of land.
I would not be surprised at all if Hamas killed that girl just to gain negative publicity for the IDF. They know adult Palestinian deaths don't mean anything to the west anymore since the west perceives almost every adult Palestinian as a potential terrorist. Children are apparently the next front line of terror. Expect more children suicide bombers, expect more child deaths. Numb yourself with whatever you can. This conflict will not die like an innocent child hit in the head with a rock. |
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