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John Cage - 4'33" (pg. 2)
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by kernkraft
so, which one is better:
Holden - Intentionally Left Blank vs. John Cage - 4'33" ?
:p :D |
Cage wins by default for actually having sounds in it. |
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| Bagarse |
| I work in a foundry and hate this song as it reminds me too much of that -hole of a workplace. |
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| [ groovypants ] |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
4'33" has been hijacked and turned into the schlock it is by the pop music system. |
Very much so.
Alot of music artists today like to put these so called "silent pieces" into recordings, onto albums for example - making it all pseudo-artistic and ostentatious.
4'33's purpose of sonic absorption and enviromental fidelity is now just another quick way to make you look cool omgz. |
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| Siesta |
Finally a post from someone who knows the 4.33 composition
Download that track, it rocks :p |
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| chesco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Siesta
Finally a post from someone who knows the 4.33 composition
Download that track, it rocks :p |
I downloaded it from beatport but there was nothing there.:conf: |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by chesco
I downloaded it from beatport but there was nothing there.:conf: |
It's meant to be heard live. In a concert hall, by a full orchestra performing to the effect of sitting and doing nothing for the allotted time. |
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| PETRAN |
Yeppp, classic track
choooonnnnnn,
besides that...leaving aside this "art" thing...this is just 20th century non-sense.Lets not forget the classical musicians who loved their music, pioneered mind-blowing and complex music and developed music theory itself. And all these, not always in the comfort of "high society living-rooms" as we all may thing, but in many times, in conditions of extreme poverty where unfortunately, some of them had treated and exchanged their masterfull music for a piece of bread or an extremely small amount of money, and eventually have died poor and disgraced (e.g. vivaldi). These individuals-the true pioneers and artists, probably roll on their graves as we praise this..."modern", "pioneering" stuff and forget them as "conventional-musicians".
In my opinion, art has to convey some sort of aesthetics, not just "messages". I think a famous modern piece of art was a toilet with something written on it, but thats just bull (literally!) in my opinion and not art, since there is nothing aesthetic in a dirty toilet, the same way there is nothing aesthetic in a noisy sound or in a silent period which is praised as "pioneering modern art".
In simple words...
"MODERN-ART my ARSE" |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Fountain, Marcel Duchamp, 1917 |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
besides that...leaving aside this "art" thing...this is just 20th century non-sense.Lets not forget the classical musicians who loved their music, pioneered mind-blowing and complex music and developed music theory itself. And all these, not always in the comfort of "high society living-rooms" as we all may thing, but in many times, in conditions of extreme poverty where unfortunately, some of them had treated and exchanged their masterfull music for a piece of bread or an extremely small amount of money, and eventually have died poor and disgraced (e.g. vivaldi). These individuals-the true pioneers and artists, probably roll on their graves as we praise this..."modern", "pioneering" stuff and forget them as "conventional-musicians".
In my opinion, art has to convey some sort of aesthetics, not just "messages". I think a famous modern piece of art was a toilet with something written on it, but thats just bull (literally!) in my opinion and not art, since there is nothing aesthetic in a dirty toilet, the same way there is nothing aesthetic in a noisy sound or in a silent period which is praised as "pioneering modern art".
In simple words...
"MODERN-ART my ARSE" |
Pisses you off, doesn't it? |
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| Allied Nations |
I think people who thing discuss the possibility that it takes "something" to be art and claim to make art are funny :gsmile:
/kicks dirt |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
No sillier than discussing what makes something good or bad art.
[And saying that something is "not art" may sometimes be a kind of code for saying, 'Somebody may be presenting it as art, but I don't care for it.'] |
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| nefardec |
Interesting note;
Brian Eno claims to have taken a piss in Duchamp's fountain. |
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