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| charlie lloyd |
i think maybe it went further than 2003 and as far as 2000.
1999 was the big trance year but at the back end of 1999 and start of 2000, everything went slower and more prog and deeper.
i remember that the main tent at the crasher summer sound system was mostly proggy with tong, sasha, fontaine etc apart from pvd bashing it out as usual but even he had that proggy mix of synaethesia on the go.
bedrock and hooj choons were more or less at the front of all this comercially though but personally i think dancemusic went through a black hole as far as trance is concerned between 2001 and 2003 where after, the likes of schulz and armin started pushing that proggy/melodic trance sound again |
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| Johan (DJ Irish) |
For me I always felt the tide started to turn when Sasha released Expander EP even though the faster melodic trance sound was the biggest for some more years to come.
It grew ever so slowly in the beginning of 2000 (that's when I was the most into it) but I'm not sure when it became the dominant sound. It always seemed like it was Marcus Schulz melodic prog that took it to the trance masses. Whatever year that might have been. I think a lot of house people started to migrate at some point as well but not sure... |
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| charlie lloyd |
| yeah i think your right there johan. not sure if my memory serves me right but didnt sasha come out of retirement around that time or something like that. im not really all clued up as far as sasha goes and all that but with xpander it gatecrashed the whole 1999 euro sound and brought that proggy trance sound into the mainstream. in 2000 it was all going slower and darker and towards the end of that year i think it split into half tribal and half trancy if you know what i mean. hopefully that makes sense;) |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | | Originally posted by charlie lloyd yeah i think your right there johan. not sure if my memory serves me right but didnt sasha come out of retirement around that time or something like that. im not really all clued up as far as sasha goes and all that but with xpander it gatecrashed the whole 1999 euro sound and brought that proggy trance sound into the mainstream. in 2000 it was all going slower and darker and towards the end of that year i think it split into half tribal and half trancy if you know what i mean. hopefully that makes sense |
Yeap , that was exactly what happened. Everything started getting proggier and darker in 2000. There was a major backlash for epic trance between 2001-2003, i don't know how some people say that those were "gold-years". These were definitelly not gold years for epic trance. I even remember the reviews in dj mag's trance page in 2001 and 2002. They were full of cheesy vocal tunes and there was a relative huge absence of quality instrumental epic trance. Damn, the page was full of stuff like remixes of Ian van dahl's "Castles in the sky" and remakes of classic tunes.Everyone was crying about how the years of good instrumental epic trance were gone forever. Very few good instrumental gems and quality trance was all about the proggier, darker, less melodic stuff.
It was only 2003 and the return of melody in both proggier and epic forms with markus schulz stuff and the slight comeback of instrumental epic trance. It was slightly rejuvenating, with stuff like Solid Globe's "north pole" and "sahara" and robert nickson's "spiral". But that was it. Nothing new or whatsoever. It came but unfortunatley stayed there... |
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| Marc Summers |
I love learning about the Progressive Era! People like Teddy Roosevelt, Booker T. Washington, John Muir... LONG LIVE THE PROGRESSIVE ERA!
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
Slacker & Breeder ftw.
imo if it ain't dark and driving it ain't prog. none of this hands in the air . |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
imo if it ain't dark and driving it ain't prog. none of this hands in the air . |
Oh ok ,so all the 90s stuff by Spooky and Charlie May, Orbital, Underworld, FSOL, Leftfield, The Drum Club, Salt Tank, Barbarella/Sven Vath, The Grid, Banco De Gaia, D.O.P ,Fluke, Humate, William Orbit, Air Liquide, 808 State,Sasha etc. etc. etc. which are not necessary dark are not prog right? If you think that progressive is only the post-00s dark-tribal stuff then you missed the 90s "true" progressive mate... |
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| Joca |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Yeap , that was exactly what happened. Everything started getting proggier and darker in 2000. There was a major backlash for epic trance between 2001-2003, i don't know how some people say that those were "gold-years". These were definitelly not gold years for epic trance. I even remember the reviews in dj mag's trance page in 2001 and 2002. They were full of cheesy vocal tunes and there was a relative huge absence of quality instrumental epic trance. Damn, the page was full of stuff like remixes of Ian van dahl's "Castles in the sky" and remakes of classic tunes.Everyone was crying about how the years of good instrumental epic trance were gone forever. |
Your basing the quality of releases by what you read in DJ MAG? Give your head a shake.....DJ Mag hahhah
2001-2003 Instrumental Epic Trance:
Midway - Monkey Forest
Midway - Inca
Three Drives - Carrera 2
Insigma - Open Your Eyes
Ralphie B - Massive
Airwave - Save Me
King of Clubs - Revelation (Airwave Remix)
Jan Johnston - Flesh (DJ Tiësto Remix)
Lolo - Melody & Extended Horizon
Fire & Ice - Souvenier De Chine
Push - Trazny State Of Mind
Plastic Boy - Silverbath
Pulser - My Religion
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Pulser remix)
Firewall - Reflections
Solar Factor - Urban Shakedown
Green Martian - Wizardry
Rusch & Murray - Epic
Tranqulity Base - Razorfish
Stamina - Skywalker
Exposure - Magic Impulse
Mr Sam vs Fred Baker present As One - Forever Waiting
| quote: | Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
Slacker & Breeder ftw.
imo if it ain't dark and driving it ain't prog. none of this hands in the air . |
Lets not make this one of those "what is progressive' threads....
And if you two would take the time to read the thread starters orignal post (notice the title "This Progressive Era"), he is asking who started playing the progressive that Markus Schulz and Armin play which is known as "McProg " to some. So basically your wasting your time posting in this thread. |
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| spc |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
It was slightly rejuvenating, with stuff like Solid Globe's "north pole" and "sahara" and robert nickson's "spiral". But that was it. Nothing new or whatsoever. It came but unfortunatley stayed there... |
Heh, it's funny that you mentioned those 2 exact tunes because they were probably my 2 top favorites from that year... shortly thereafter, i went on to different genres |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joca
Your basing the quality of releases by what you read in DJ MAG? Give your head a shake.....DJ Mag hahhah |
I didn't say that there weren't any instrumental trance releases at all. I saied that there were much fewer in relation to previous years and that most of them were vocal tunes (e.g. Lange feat. Skye "drifting away")especially in 2001. In fact i have 14 of the releases you mentioned on vinyl and firewall's reflections/touched are some of my favorite epic trance tunes of all times (as well as revelations and save me which are somehow identical?).I remeber though that when it came out it was like an oasis in a desert of low quality trance.And i'm not basing my view in dj mag. I just used dj mag as an example. As i say in my post, 2003 was the year that trance had a come-back anyway and hence there were more quality tunes coming out that year (although the firewall and airwave tunes came out in 2002 and 2001 as far as i remember. But they didn't represent the average trance tune that was coming out IMO). |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Oh ok ,so all the 90s stuff by Spooky and Charlie May, Orbital, Underworld, FSOL, Leftfield, The Drum Club, Salt Tank, Barbarella/Sven Vath, The Grid, Banco De Gaia, D.O.P ,Fluke, Humate, William Orbit, Air Liquide, 808 State,Sasha etc. etc. etc. which are not necessary dark are not prog right? If you think that progressive is only the post-00s dark-tribal stuff then you missed the 90s "true" progressive mate... |
You're correct. I did miss the 90s "true" progressive because I wasn't around back then. Of course I know some of the classic producers/tracks, but the whole style and feeling of the scene back then is something I can't relate to. We all have wishes though ;).
I consider the artists you listed prog, but of a different style. The reason I brought up those two artists and the description is because of what the original poster wrote:
| quote: | | Just a few years ago some of the more popular songs of trance used a faster beats per minute than what were hearing today. |
I thought he was refering to those types of artists. Most of the faster tracks back then were the dark and driving tunes. I'm sure you can agree that most of the artists you mentioned were slower and had a different vibe.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joca
Your basing the quality of releases by what you read in DJ MAG? Give your head a shake.....DJ Mag hahhah
2001-2003 Instrumental Epic Trance:
Midway - Monkey Forest
Midway - Inca
Three Drives - Carrera 2
Insigma - Open Your Eyes
Ralphie B - Massive
Airwave - Save Me
King of Clubs - Revelation (Airwave Remix)
Jan Johnston - Flesh (DJ Tiësto Remix)
Lolo - Melody & Extended Horizon
Fire & Ice - Souvenier De Chine
Push - Trazny State Of Mind
Plastic Boy - Silverbath
Pulser - My Religion
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Pulser remix)
Firewall - Reflections
Solar Factor - Urban Shakedown
Green Martian - Wizardry
Rusch & Murray - Epic
Tranqulity Base - Razorfish
Stamina - Skywalker
Exposure - Magic Impulse
Mr Sam vs Fred Baker present As One - Forever Waiting
Lets not make this one of those "what is progressive' threads....
And if you two would take the time to read the thread starters orignal post (notice the title "This Progressive Era"), he is asking who started playing the progressive that Markus Schulz and Armin play which is known as "McProg " to some. So basically your wasting your time posting in this thread. |
Do me a favor and tell me how your reply relates to the original posters question? |
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| charlie lloyd |
i think what petran was trying to point out was that in the public eye, there was a backlash against music like the 1999 euro euphoric sort of stuff and it became more "cool" in the mainstream of clubland to go to smaller, darker clubs with darker/proggy music.
it was kinda frowned apon to even like trance as it was back then which the money men came and raped by producing the likes of ian van dahl and trying to use the falling popularity of trance in 1999 to sell those tracks.
i admit, even i started buying into that proggy sort of scene like hope recordings, hooj choons etc and the timo maas/sander klinenberg sort of sound.
hope were pretty much at the front of putting out that proggy/melodic tracks with stuff like staircase's "airtight" and max grahams "yaletown" which were making alot of sales and getting playtime in alot of sets. |
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